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Jun 17 2010 06:59pm
Quote (greydoom @ Jun 15 2010 05:10am)
Talking to that 'imaginary' guy gives me strenght you could never even imagine of,

which makes me a better individual than you, cosidering the theory of evolution.

What I'm saying is that Religions are a product of evolution. In order to survive hard times, one needs to have something to believe in. I have it, you don't. You're weaker and your atheist genome will dissappear due to evolution.


we're supposed to love our enemies, sir
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Jun 17 2010 09:17pm
this is a pretty simple problem to fix.

Give it time

God doesnt work on your schedule, he works on his own.
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Jun 17 2010 11:39pm
Quote (bbsamman @ Jun 17 2010 11:17pm)
this is a pretty simple problem to fix.

Give it time

God doesnt work on your schedule, he works on his own.


....................................................Amen!
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Jun 18 2010 12:18am
Quote (Durance Of Love @ Jun 17 2010 06:25pm)
To the op, there are two reasons that I find are big in why my prayers aren't answered.

First, we ask for something that is not in line with God's will. Even if a request seems reasonable or necessary to us, if it is not what God has planned it will not happen. And it's not as if God has overlooked your situation because he has foreknowledge of everything that is happening and will happen. It says in Psalms: "Many, O LORD my God, are the wonders you have done. The things you planned for us no one can recount to you; were I to speak and tell of them, they would be too many to declare." I'm not saying that we must modify our expectations to only coincide with a pre-laid set of occurrences, but rather that we simply understand this as a reason why God allows seemingly horrible events to occur. Our own purview is so infinitesimal compared to God's that we almost never see the full effects of our actions. Especially when we're in a period of grief as when a loved one dies, it's nearly impossible to acknowledge that purpose is behind what happened.

The other reason which I find is a general cause of many peoples' frustration with prayer is a lack of work or commitment on our part. It's true that we can ask, and receive, things greater than we can manifest by ourselves, but from the biggest to the smallest request there is a necessary amount of work required on our parts. That statement can seem very frustrating and daunting at times, but the journey of doing so can reap its own rewards. And the range of work from the physical to the spiritual is tremendous. Three examples from different realms of life would be these:
1. Prayer for safety or healing of someone. If you're in a position to help physically than the 'solution' is obvious. It's tricky, however, because many times when we're in this instance it's very easy to overlook prayer because we can commit to an action and see results. I know many times I will forget to pray for an outcome if I'm reasonably sure of a positive result. Even in these times it is equally important to do so because despite our involvement, it is God who oversees the final result. Now when you are in this situation but are unable to do anything physically, there is still 'work' that you can do. Praying is not like filing a slip of paper in God's inbox and waiting for it to be processed. God will never be overloaded or upset with prayers flooding him. Praying daily or even more frequently about a specific subject is a reaffirmation to God of how important the situation is in your life and that it can't be resolved without His help. There is extraordinary meaning in praying and praying and praying that is hard to judge from the outside looking in.
2. Praying for something physical, i.e. a job. If you're looking for something physically obtainable the steps we must put in become more clear than in a spiritual matter. I can stay at home and pray 24/7 for a new job, but what are the chances that an employer would call you at home and offer you a job? Initiative is huge in these situations because if we do nothing to help ourselves all the while praying for God to handle things, it becomes very easy to get upset and bitter toward God for not fixing our problems for us. It is a tactic of Satan to use negative results in situations like these as a source of resentment toward God when many times we haven't done our part. If we do what we're able, when we're able our prayers become an effective supplement in finding a resolution. Remember though, nothing is too small to pray about. If something is important to us, it's important to God because of how much he loves us and wants to be a part of our lives.
3. Prayer for our own relationship with God. This is what you mentioned in your post and even gave us your own solution :) There are spiritual things we can do; continued prayer being chief among them. There are also innumerable physical ways we can strengthen our spiritual bond with God. Studying the bible is, I believe, the best way because simply it is God's word. Many times it's hard to hear Him speak to you directly; in these instances His word is still available. Meditating on scripture is a meld of the physical and spiritual. Committing time solely to God is another way we can affirm to Him that our relationship is important. Finding ways to be around other spiritual outlets is another benefit to our spirituality. Garbage in, garbage out. Exposing yourself daily to violence or sex or jealously will cause us to dwell on these things when it's not appropriate. Strengthening a relationship with God is an enormous commitment that spans your whole life and beyond. Developing positive habits, especially relating to where and how you spend your time is not easy to begin to do, but is fundamental to any strong relationship. Even when we've done so, however, it takes an active role in studying, learning, helping in spiritual areas for growth to occur. It can be easy to get lost in the middle of sin on one side and God on the other in a comfortable apathy, but Revelations says, 'So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth.' There are days we're on fire for Jesus and want to do all we can and there are times when we're simply devastated and want nothing to do with him. Even in these times it's so important to have a solid foundation of habits and people to talk to that we can use to work through all of the conflicts that make us feel that way. The two most important things in all of this are that we focus on God even when we ask for our own things and that we continue to give him the praise He deserves whether or not the outcome is what we desire.


Usually I don't say TL;DR

but this time I have to. All due respect, but that hell'lot of a text

Quote (Osirislives @ Jun 18 2010 02:59am)
we're supposed to love our enemies, sir


have I said otherwise?

I love everyone and everbody :)

This post was edited by greydoom on Jun 18 2010 12:18am
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Jun 21 2010 09:48pm
how close are you to god? do you read the bible? go to church? help others try to turn to him? if you asked a stranger for a favor they may or may not do it

you ask a close friend you have a better chance of them doing it right? so if your not close to god what makes you think he will

just imo

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Jun 22 2010 12:12am
Quote (Ensane @ Jun 22 2010 05:48am)
how close are you to god? do you read the bible? go to church? help others try to turn to him? if you asked a stranger for a favor they may or may not do it

you ask a close friend you have a better chance of them doing it right? so if your not close to god what makes you think he will

just imo


good point, havn't thought it like that.

But eventhough I don't go to church, read the Bible, help others or try to turn them, I think I still love God.

my mind is very fragile at the moment, and to be honest, I don't know what I believe anymore.
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Jun 22 2010 03:01am
to me the meaning of prayers is to test the faith within yourself. You ask God to give you strength to overcome or endure, not for that particular thing to be yours or out of the way.

I'm not even just associating this with Christianity like you are. In fact, i suspect you're bashing Christianity for post count and mad trolling everyone. Seems like you've always been "a struggling god-believer" for a long time, posting absurd questions about religion, but watevs. If u knew anything about yourself, especially spiritually, u would kno there's not one way, and u would kno the particular path some of us choose is very deep, but u don't have either down at all....
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Jun 22 2010 03:58am
Quote (rchau @ Jun 22 2010 11:01am)
to me the meaning of prayers is to test the faith within yourself. You ask God to give you strength to overcome or endure, not for that particular thing to be yours or out of the way.

I'm not even just associating this with Christianity like you are. In fact,  i suspect you're bashing Christianity for post count and mad trolling everyone. Seems like you've always been "a struggling god-believer" for a long time, posting absurd questions about religion, but watevs. If u knew anything about yourself, especially spiritually, u would kno there's not one way, and u would kno the particular path some of us choose is very deep, but u don't have either down at all....


Can't say I'm not offended by your words.

I am Christian. I do believe in God. I love Him. And I'm completely serious about this thread.

If you don't like it, you can go spam with Cyba elsewhere, but not here.
Jun 24 2010 01:37pm
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Jul 1 2010 04:40pm
god once asked a young jew, who was the prince of a kingdom, what he wanted in life.
this was a kid who could have asked for anything
any thing he freakin wanted. chicks. gold. power. coulda asked for all of
instead of asking god for these selfish things, he asked for the wisdom to lead a nation.

you should remember this when you pray and also read the lords prayer. it should give you some insight on things about prayer. for one, what are you praying for? stupid things like quitting smoking or that you aced that test? or things that actually matter
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