Well I see that the problem lies where people want to be a part of a miracle to believe. Unfortunately for them the miracle has to be a life and death situation.

For example a plane crashes in the Hudson river on the 15th January 2009. Every one of the people survive, but for the few minutes it took to crash the plane into the river the passengers are thinking that this is it we are going to die etc. So they text their soulmates and say plane is crashing, I love you etc. Basically they are truly convinced that they are going to die and there is no hope.

The Captain says over the loudspeaker "Brace for impact" the passengers are thinking this is it, the end is here farewell cruel world. Then the plane crashes and they survive. They get out of the plane onto the wings and they are rescued. They have had a life changing experience as they were convinced they were dead and they somehow survived. At that moment they turn to God and can say how he has changed their lives. The survivers now have a new outlook on life, their life has completely turned around forever. They take every day as a glorious day and don't take anything for granted etc.

They believe because they saw. Now what about those that already believed without the need for a life changing experience? Jesus himself said these words.

John 20:27 Then He said to Thomas, “Bring your finger here and feel my hands; bring you hand and put it into my side; and do not be ready to disBelieve but to Believe.”

John 20:29 Jesus said to him, “Because you have seen me, you have Believed. Blessed are those who have not seen, and have Believed.”

Here, then, is the real problem of our negligence. We fail in our duty to study God's Word not so much because it is difficult to understand, not so much because it is dull and boring, but because it is work. Our problem is not a lack of intelligence or a lack of passion. Our problem is that we are lazy.

What God?;; Show me proof of this man. I believe in Jesus, maybe god, i just don't believe one man had the power to create humans, mammals and organisms. illogical, call me crazy, but evolution is more logical than one man creating everyone. If there is one, i guess he saved me when i was nearly killed by a car when J-Walking across a street when it was snowy, or maybe it was just my senses that told me to turn around, and look the other way.

Congratulations on the stopping of the drugs, Nice man.

I mean no offense to Christians, they have the right to speak.

This post was edited by Godly_smitaz on Mar 31 2010 04:14pm

And who is to say the bible isn't blind? There is no proof of its true existence, they are just stories, that could have been written by some crazy guy.

This post was edited by Godly_smitaz on Mar 31 2010 04:17pm

he's saved my life countless times. one time was when I was younger and drank liquor like water at a party and I had .38 BAC when the police busted the party and I was unconscious (the ambulance came and took me, and the only way the police busted the party is because some fool didn't park right, they parked like 6 inches too far out in the road). another time, I was drinking and on the phone with my girlfriend and I wanted to go see her and her friend, so I got behind the wheel and began driving. not even a mile down the road, I was going 90 MPH around a 30 MPH turn, the roads were slick. it felt like slow motion and I knew I was dead, I was like a pinball bouncing off of the guardrails and then the car flipped over the guardrail, snapped a tree or two in half (small ones), and I was upside down at the bottom of a river, drowning. luckily in the crash the windshield was broken, and I think I was unconscious for a bit, but I managed somehow to get pushed out of the windshield right after I unbuckled myself (the doors wouldn't open, they were pinned shut, and the seatbelt was incredibly difficult to undo). after I was pushed out of the window I was slightly cut up, but it was like this; drowning upside down, bottom of a river, 2AM in the morning, nobody around, then out of the car, then on the road looking down at the car. probably the scariest thing in my life, but there's no way I should have lived through both of those things that happened to me, if there is a God, he saved me on both occasions.

That is the problem right there in bold. God isn't a man, he is an all powerful being. You are creating God in your own image instead of trying to get to know him like what he is. Jeez Louize your salvation lies within a plane crash where you are on the brink of death and somehow make it out alive.

he hasnt... i've yet had anyone sway me towards the way of the lord. not even my own family that looks down on my for it

You shouldn't have to be forced to be religious, it is something that just grows on you and perhaps you believe in. Rarely do you have a black and white spiritual experience. Just do what feels right to you, nobody should argue.

This post was edited by Roachweed on Apr 1 2010 07:29pm

God isn't real

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