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#51
Apr 5 2012 04:08pm
Quote (DB_odin @ 5 Apr 2012 16:56)
this is true. I may be wrong, but I have always been of the opinion that we are given a choice. Brainwashing and subliminal messages, are not a choice. That would mean that the devil is forcing himself into you.
There may be songs with this, but God would NEVER permit such an action to have any command over you. Faith or no faith, Things like this would be snuffed out.


It's more of a gateway into bad things issue in some cases, and then bad theology in others. I addressed this a few pages back. A large amount of "Christian" music is not theologically sound, and especially amongst young people does more harm than good to susceptible minds.
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Apr 5 2012 04:45pm
I did notice that the easter bunny and santa were so readily dismissed in a topic about religion.

Very amusing.

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Apr 5 2012 05:07pm
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I did notice that the easter bunny and santa were so readily dismissed in a topic about religion.

Very amusing.


Only to someone that doesnt understand there is an entire subforum of discussion and this is but one topic conversation, not all inclusive of every subject, but very specific to music.

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#54
Apr 5 2012 05:11pm
Quote (njaguar @ Apr 5 2012 04:08pm)
It's more of a gateway into bad things issue in some cases, and then bad theology in others. I addressed this a few pages back. A large amount of "Christian" music is not theologically sound, and especially amongst young people does more harm than good to susceptible minds.


Right I understand that, and I don't really have any arguments for it. Some music is bad, that's just the way it is. One bad choice, can often lead to another.
But there are people who make the music for a good purpose. What people receive from it can do good or bad.
Like I said, I don't understand death metal Christian music, I don't think Jesus likes when you scream at him either lol.
To label all forms of rock as instruments of the devil is pretty unfair though :(
I personally listen to country music, but by the op's argument - by all means country music should fall into that category as well.
Kinda like, I bought a pair of snakeskin boots for my moms wedding ( they are seriously awesome boots.) But I have no idea if they guy who made them is satanic. Does that mean I shouldn't wear them?
No flippin way! those things are 400 bucks! I guarantee that somewhere in this world there are Satanic cowboy boot makers. Does that make all boots evil by association? No.
The devil didn't make my boots, he might have come up with the price though lol...
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Apr 5 2012 08:40pm
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God does indeed "rock". As rock is just as much as a slang term as it is a music genre. We aren't in the iron age.
Sin is everywhere and anywhere you look. There is no sense to turn every corner with caution. When the sun comes up, what do the shadows do? They hide.
My music preference has absolutely nothing to do with my relationship with Christ, excluding the songs that praise him.
Oh and fyi, ANYTHING god does, is considered a holy act. He defines the rules. not the devil.
Your giving the devil far to much credit, Are you really that scared of him? The devil exploits our fear, does he not?
Instead of hitting anything suspicious with a magnifying glass, walk through that room of demons with crosses a Blazin'

Again, Christ is a choice. No he doesn't make Christian death metal. But people do. Because that's part of being christian right? To share Christ!
Kids aren't going to listen to the old gospels, not by choice. You might as well try reading verses to a deaf man.
Why not put it in a way that they can understand?
Why can't god be fun?


God doesn't rock to rock music/metal music (at least not most).
Sin is basically everywhere (we are all sinful and will never be without sin).
God does define the rules, and I assume you agree with the Bible 100%? (Did you check the verses from the first page?)
It's not giving the devil to much credit, it's exposing his methods. There is no need to fear Satan or his minions when you are living right with Christ because you have authority to send him packing his bags.
Christ never used any worldy method EVER to share the gospel with.
God can be fun, not worldly. :)

If you would have read the article, you would have known the title and article were not mine, but another author. Here is the simple way to tell if you shouldn't be listening to something. Does the Holy Spirit convict you of listening to it? We all don't have the same convictions at the same times.

The difference with your analogy is the Bible specifically talks about music. God Bless bro :)
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Apr 5 2012 09:12pm
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God doesn't rock to rock music/metal music (at least not most).
Sin is basically everywhere (we are all sinful and will never be without sin).
God does define the rules, and I assume you agree with the Bible 100%? (Did you check the verses from the first page?)
It's not giving the devil to much credit, it's exposing his methods. There is no need to fear Satan or his minions when you are living right with Christ because you have authority to send him packing his bags.
Christ never used any worldy method EVER to share the gospel with.
God can be fun, not worldly. :)

If you would have read the article, you would have known the title and article were not mine, but another author.  Here is the simple way to tell if you shouldn't be listening to something.  Does the Holy Spirit convict you of listening to it?  We all don't have the same convictions at the same times.

The difference with your analogy is the Bible specifically talks about music.  God Bless bro :)


Sure Jesus did. Christ spoke with women, which was not something that was common in the Jewish culture. It was a "worldly" practice. Jesus allowed his disciples to pick grain to eat on the Sabbath. Again, a worldly thing of that time. Jesus used parables and used worldly topics to describe spiritual matters. Jesus constantly associated himself with "the world".

As did Paul. Paul became all things to all people. (1 Corinth. 9:19-23) We do not distance ourselves from the world, since it's the world we are to bring to Christ. We are not to conform to the world however. Again, Christmas and Easter were "worldly" holidays that the church adopted to interact with "the world". (one theory)
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Apr 5 2012 09:47pm
Quote (Silenced_Matrix @ Apr 5 2012 08:40pm)
God doesn't rock to rock music/metal music (at least not most).
Sin is basically everywhere (we are all sinful and will never be without sin).
God does define the rules, and I assume you agree with the Bible 100%? (Did you check the verses from the first page?)
It's not giving the devil to much credit, it's exposing his methods. There is no need to fear Satan or his minions when you are living right with Christ because you have authority to send him packing his bags.
Christ never used any worldy method EVER to share the gospel with.
God can be fun, not worldly. :)

If you would have read the article, you would have known the title and article were not mine, but another author.  Here is the simple way to tell if you shouldn't be listening to something.  Does the Holy Spirit convict you of listening to it?  We all don't have the same convictions at the same times.

The difference with your analogy is the Bible specifically talks about music.  God Bless bro :)


I read some of it, Im sick as a dog, and reading the small print is giving me a headache :( I know it is not your words directly. But you do share the same opinion.
I'm not saying that the devil doesn't attach himself to worldly things. I'm saying he can't brainwash you. God would never put up with it.
You are always given the choice.

And yeah, thats why its an analogy. Branding a whole genre as evil, based on the foul deeds of a few is not fair.
I think people dissect the scriptures a little to much. I think they are more straightforward than people take them to be.
And again, "rocking" "rock" "rocked", just another way of saying cool, awesome etc.
God bless of course :P

If anyone were to mumble a quick prayer for me to get this sickness to go away, I would not be against it at all <3 lol >.<

This post was edited by DB_odin on Apr 5 2012 09:49pm
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Apr 6 2012 07:18am
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I read some of it, Im sick as a dog, and reading the small print is giving me a headache :( I know it is not your words directly. But you do share the same opinion.
I'm not saying that the devil doesn't attach himself to worldly things. I'm saying he can't brainwash you. God would never put up with it.
You are always given the choice.

And yeah, thats why its an analogy. Branding a whole genre as evil, based on the foul deeds of a few is not fair.
I think people dissect the scriptures a little to much. I think they are more straightforward than people take them to be.
And again, "rocking" "rock" "rocked", just another way of saying cool, awesome etc.
God bless of course :P

If anyone were to mumble a quick prayer for me to get this sickness to go away, I would not be against it at all <3 lol >.<


Hope you feel better bro. That is right, we are given the choice, and listening to certain types of music (our choice) goes against the Word of God.
Death Metal has a very real, very evil spirit (along with most rock, use your discernment here), it doesn't mean the people can't be saved Christians who are playing it. If they are straightforward (which some are, but you have to dig and study the Bible and Word and let the Holy Spirit teach you while your reading to understand it) than unsaved scholars who have been trying to learn the Bible for many years would know it like people who are saved by the grace of God by their faith.
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#59
Apr 6 2012 07:05pm
Quote (Silenced_Matrix @ Apr 5 2012 11:20am)
It's not a troll, you don't have a complete Biblical foundation for something and it's "trollololoolololling".  Who is trolling is Satan, who wants to blind you to the fact you live on this earth for maybe 70-80 years, maybe longer God willing, and eternity is forever, it never ends.  Is it worth creating a personal relationship with Christ and turning away from sin so you can spend an eternity with Him?  It is for me. Praise God



Do a little research on Hendrix and what he says happened to Him on stage, you start doing more research you find people are admitting (and I'm not talking about in songs) in interviews where they have sold their souls for fame.  To a certain point we are protected.  But continuously allowing sinful things in your life (when saved you become a new creation and your heart changes, you are remade and are willing and want to turn away from sin).  Am I saying if you listen to this type of music you are going to Hell?  Not at all.  Am I saying it's hurtful to your relationship with Christ and could ruin it? Yes.

Read the Bible verses, God does not "rock". People who get saved at these kind of events do it on an emotional level and have no solid foundation to stand on after the concerts and go back to their normal lives for the majority.  Christ never used any worldly way EVER to bring someone to Him.  The gospels (Matthew,Mark,Luke,John) should be the foundations for our ministries to bring people to Jesus Christ.


if you're worshiping god simply to go to heaven arent you doing it for the wrong reason?

"heaven is cool. way better than hell. praise god."
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#60
Apr 6 2012 07:40pm
i coudlnt help myself. music is music. religion is a way of life about morals and guidelines. im pretty sure it doesnt say in the bible thou shal not listen to heavy metal. it speaks of false idols. idolizing musicians etc is a sin sure. but just the act of listening to music is absolutly not, no matter what the music is about. if it doesn't dictate your life, then its not causing any harm at all, no matter what the music is about.

Take for instance the band Slayer. a lot of people have a common misconception that their are devil worshippers but they are all in-fact christian. it is people's judgement of others that gives any sort of music a band name. a musician is just an entertainer at the end of the day. in my opinion people who cannot listen to a certain type of music because they think it is devil music are just insane.

If one person was to simply caste out anything that even resembled sin out of their lives then they would have to lock themselves in their house, and do nothing but pray. people sin period.
its all about faith at the end of the day, and you either have it or you dont. but before you have faith in jesus ( or any other god ) you must first know what is right or wrong because at the end of the day it is you who decides for yourself.

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