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May 13 2011 11:44am
His Gratification isn't on Him being right, it's that we make the right choices. God is an all Knowing, All Loving, All powerful God. He loves us, and like any loving parent, loves to see His children do the right thing. Yes, He knows what we will do, but I also know what will happen in the Boondock Saints. Doesn't stop me from watching it 10 million times because I get enjoyment out of it.
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May 13 2011 11:47am
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His Gratification isn't on Him being right, it's that we make the right choices. God is an all Knowing, All Loving, All powerful God. He loves us, and like any loving parent, loves to see His children do the right thing. Yes, He knows what we will do, but I also know what will happen in the Boondock Saints. Doesn't stop me from watching it 10 million times because I get enjoyment out of it.


Would you watch it Billions and billions of times?
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May 13 2011 11:49am
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He already knows what we will choose, the moment the choice comes up, especially if he is all knowing, so if he knows our entire life already, then wheres the happiness come from? How can you be happy and all knowing at the same time....sure there is some gratification in being right, But on that spectrum?


1 Corinthians 10:31: "Whether, then, you eat or drink or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God."

Not sure where you got happiness from. If you really want answers to some of your questions, I would normally suggest some more study of the bible, but since you don't believe in the bible, there is probably nothing anyone here can say to you that you will like or accept. And that means that yes, you are spamming.
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If I got enjoyment out of it? Yeah. Granted, there are other things I have to do. That's not the only thing I do. The point is, God enjoys it when we come to Him for help. He enjoys it when we pray to Him, and talk with Him. He enjoys it when we get to Heaven, and can spend the rest of eternity with Him. He enjoys it more because we do have free will, and it's by our own choice that we go to Him for these things.
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May 13 2011 11:51am
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If I got enjoyment out of it? Yeah. Granted, there are other things I have to do. That's not the only thing I do. The point is, God enjoys it when we come to Him for help. He enjoys it when we pray to Him, and talk with Him. He enjoys it when we get to Heaven, and can spend the rest of eternity with Him. He enjoys it more because we do have free will, and it's by our own choice that we go to Him for these things.


He also knows if and when you will come to him for these things, according to you...if he knows our entire life, before we do, including the choice of whether to accept Jesus Christ or not, then how can you say there is freewill at the end of the road?
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May 13 2011 11:53am
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He also knows if and when you will come to him for these things, according to you...if he knows our entire life, before we do, including the choice of whether to accept Jesus Christ or not, then how can you say there is freewill at the end of the road?


Does God decide each decision in your life for you? Are you a robot? If you answer no to these questions, then you have free will.

edit: Actually, if you answer yes to those questions, you also have free will ;)
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May 13 2011 11:56am
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Does God decide each decision in your life for you? Are you a robot? If you answer no to these questions, then you have free will.

edit: Actually, if you answer yes to those questions, you also have free will ;)


That's a loaded question, and should never be asked in a way that is impossible to respond with a logical response.

It's illusionary free will, you may think you have the power to choose, but at the beginning and end of the day, he knows what you've chosen and what you're going to choose...how does that translate to free will?

Edit: Why would he create us to decide when he already knows our decision?

This post was edited by Rickie on May 13 2011 12:00pm
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That's a loaded question, and should never be asked in a way that is impossible to respond with a logical response.

It's illusionary free will, you may think you have the power to choose, but at the beginning and end of the day, he knows what you've chosen and what you're going to choose...how does that translate to free will?


You just demonstrated free will, you didn't answer the question. In before God made me do it, because He knew I would do it before I did it.
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May 13 2011 11:59am
Yes but does He MAKE YOU CHOOSE THESE THINGS? NO. YOU CHOOSE THEM. You even said "He knows what YOU'VE CHOSEN AND WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO CHOOSE"
It is YOU making the choice. Not Him. That is called Free Will. It is not an illusion.
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May 13 2011 12:02pm
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You just demonstrated free will. You didn't answer the question. In before God made me do it, because he knew I would do it before I did it.


Yes, i did demonstrate free will, what i'm trying to say is he can't be all knowing and there also be free will, they don't go hand in hand...it's either one or the other. It's logical.
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