Thank you.

An assumption? It's completely clear and not taken out of context. God created EVERYTHING. What part of that do you disagree with? How am I misunderstanding it?

Trying to argue that he didn't create something is trying to argue that the bible contradicts itself.

While I accept your point that I took that completely out of context it doesn't change that why I was stating it is completely true. God is omnipotent. Are you disputing that? Theres nothing god cannot do only what he will not do. You pick something irrelevant out of my post and make 90% of your post based on disputing it.




How is your analogy spot on?

God is omniscient an employer is not.
God created us and employer did not create his employees.

Please note, I'm not arguing differences between God and a mortal employer I'm arguing relevant differences between God and your theoretical employer.

You claim the employer is innocent because he didn't do it. If the employer knew and did nothing to stop it he is not innocent.

God is omniscient therefor theres nothing he doesn't know.

You can't argue with my points which is why you don't. It's not because you don't feel the need to, clearly you do as you pick out trivial bits of my post and argue against them. I fully argue against everything you state that I disagree with I don't pick random parts and think it discredits your entire post.

Your analogy is retarded.
God created everything.
God is omnipotent.
God is omniscient.

My 4 points are above in case you forget what you're trying to argue against and choose to pick something at random instead.

This discussion was not about your "4 points above". You are simply trying to lead it that way because you can't accept the fact you are wrong about your accusation saying God created sin. This discussion "was" about, "who created sin". You made the false claim that God created sin based on a quote taken out of context from Colossians 1:16. I used biblical scripture to show that God did not create sin and that Lucifer did.

You know, I wasn't even going to make another reply to this post but I just can't sit here idle and let you make a false claim against God and have forum readers possibly believe it. When rebuttal is required I always try to back it up by scripture so the readers can make their own decision.

Now, I expect you to make at least one more reply because you seem like the type of person who has to have the last word on everything. That is not a problem with me as I could care less. However, I will leave you with a quote from Proverbs.

Proverbs 26:4-5 (New King James Version)
4 Do not answer a fool according to his folly, Lest you also be like him.
5 Answer a fool according to his folly, Lest he be wise in his own eyes.

What is Solomon saying with these verses? He is saying that when in a debate, discussion or whatever, and dealing with fools, sometimes it is better not to even answer a fool, lest one appear to be just as big a fool for answering. But sometimes the fool must be answered so that he will not think he is so wise that he cannot be answered. Whatever the situation, Solomon was saying; it will be difficult to deal with a fool. I am not calling you a fool. I am simply using the same terminology Solomon used.

Ok, you can have the last word now. I believe I have said all that needs to be said about this absurd claim of God creating sin.

Just noticed this and wanted to point it out. The first quote was pulled from another post, in it you say "free will" does exist, in the second quote that came from this post you say "free will" does not exist. You are inconsistent in your responses to the readers of this forum. The least you could do is be honest and truthful.







I have debated on several ways to end this. Being the Christian I am I want to leave on a positive note and leave you with one more verse from God's word.

2 Peter 3:9 (New King James Version)
9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

So what you are saying is that Lucifer is more powerful than god since he created the only thing that limits god's love. If god wants us all saved he would do it if he could. Considering that isn't the case sin is more powerful than god.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Mar 19 2011 01:17am

lol

Would getting drunk feel the same if there was no Satan?

Would masturbation feel the same if there was no Satan?

The answer is Yes.

Sin exists regardless of Satan.

well imo satan started the first sin but the choice to sin has always existed, if god has always existed then he had the choice but never has and never will sin

Note "religious manner". There is no way to answer the question "why did got create satan" without believing in the bible. Clearly the bible states you have free will so I answered as if I believed that. Talk about taking things out of context. I was trying to answer someones question, telling him god doesn't exist wouldn't have answered his question.



You haven't debated anything. You made an illogical analogy (I've explained why twice now) and tried to argue against an out of context quote that I was using to to prove something you don't disagree with anyway. (God is omnipotent).

Additionally Colossians 1:16 is solid. There is no other interpretation for what is said there is no way to take it out of context. It is a clear and concise statement. God created everything both seen and unseen.

The point still remains that sin is more powerful than god. Even if we leave the lucifer part out.