Quote (haloneya @ Dec 22 2010 12:58pm)

its good info but I fell like your speaking through me and not with me

Quote (WhirlingDervish @ Dec 27 2010 08:35am)

That was a short quick Scriptural background on your thought.

Please tell me, were I lost you and were you need clarification.

Quote (Conviction @ Dec 4 2010 08:14am)

the holy spirit is a part of this world and more involved in things than u and i or anyone can know
god still has control over things, we may still have our wills
but god uses the bad things that we do for better, one really good example of this in the bible is Joseph's life - he was sold into slavery by his brothers who were jealous of him, although with this betrayal,
God used this to bring him into the land of egypt and get into a powerful position, he was second in command to the pharaoh, he was able to save a whole nation from a famine, not only that but he also saved his whole family
they too were affected by the famine, if he never was sold into slavery, none of this would have happened
some people look at death as a bad thing.. but simply put, it's just a transition to the next life
that's because some people may have the view that death is the end of life... of everything!
they don't have the mindset like u and i that after death you either go to heaven or hell
life is not a sin, it's a gift from god, everything is a gift from god, it's how we use it.. for example, sex is good but not outside the boundaries of marriage, drugs and alcohol are good but not when they're abused, food is good but not when it's gluttony

and yes tryin to explain this is like explaining god, you simply cannot
our simple minds cant fathom it
we are like ants to him, much more like little bacteria, we only see what we need and want on this world
we can't fathom the whole picture

Quote (haloneya @ Dec 27 2010 05:11am)

well you use alot of text from the bible right? thats what is miss leading me,, as those text can be quite,,, tricky.. as for its understanding, time and words,,

I seem to understand it but,, were you were refering to me in all of that is,, well,,

:I fell like your speaking through me and not with me:

Quote (WhirlingDervish @ Dec 28 2010 06:29am)

If you mean I spoke "at you", I can see what you mean.

I tossed out a lot of related topics for you to research, that would help you understand your thoughts.

I apologize if I created some disconnect in our discussion.

Quote (teekay819 @ Jan 5 2011 11:07pm)

IF God is real like many of us do believe so (such as myself..although yes, sometimes i do have doubts..but thats something else..) no matter how much you try to prove/explain his existence and his works to the world....its like bunch of ants trying to figure out what Men are capable of.

I think thats why theres Bible in first place...its between you and him...this world is just around it...
its very difficult to do so..even for me but if you're going to have faith in something or someone...it's better to give it all 100% than just part of it.

Quote (haloneya @ Jan 7 2011 11:53am)

its faith

you need to believe even though you dont know for certain,, the bible can tell you alot, but I think that we as humans also should explore on ourselfs, we may be little kids to god,, but not in this world,

you say that sometimes you have doubts? of couse you do! and you should also! we are not stupid and we should be able of thinking on our own too

but when it comes on to faith then it is to ask and think too

think,, when was it jesus came to us? just how long ago was that,, the question is,, if god hat told us everything.. would we have understood it?,, too much information!? the book is allready giant.. with alot of wisdom in it, more then needed

I dont think there is anything wrong in believing a bit in science, couse there are facts in it,, but there will allways remain a question towards how and why,, and that is where god comes in,,

he may not have wanted us to know everything.. the story of adam and eve,,, sounds in many peoples minds stupid and,, how can you believe in it? but there is still wisdom and understanding in it,,

the teory of big bang is too far out of me though.. and it makes no sence at all,, it will remain a teory,, *sciences* god

Quote (teekay819 @ Jan 11 2011 06:34am)

story of Adam and Eve and others in Bible, my friend and I were actually debating about this recently.

Interpretation of the Bible was back in ages...I mean ages ago, for example show them a tank and they will describe it as a huge elephant with a big nose or show them a cell phone to describe it and good luck with that.

I seriously don't understand why people try to prove things in scientific ways when we involved so much. but yet again, you either believe it 100% or you're not.

Old testament is called OLD testament for a reason...