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Sep 8 2010 03:58pm
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"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein

Please blow up a library to produce a new book, and I'll believe in the big bang.  Go ahead, blow up as many libraries as you might need.

Order does not result from chaos.


WOOOHOOO I KNEW SOMEONE READ DARWIN ON TRIAL!

A book is not a living thing. A book doesn't mutate and reproduce...

Do you believe there are germs around you? Do you believe there are single celled organisms?

Do you believe things can be born with mutations? Do you think things can reproduce? Do you think things can pass on mutations to their offspring?

Most importantly, do you believe earth is 6000 years old? If so...I can see why you don't believe in evolution. If a person is trapped in a room with no windows or lights for their entire life - from birth, by themselves, they would think it's pitch black everywhere. If someone came into their pitch black room with no windows that they have been living in for 30 years and some how communicated with them and told them you could see things with your eyes when you leave this place, the person would deny it.

There are so many factors contributing to the evolution of everything on earth every millisecond. The changes don't happen fast. They happen extremely slow and can only be measured when viewing the past millions of years. If the earth was 6000 years old (which it's factually not...you could go to the local museum and find something that is proven older), I wouldn't think things can evolve from nothing either.
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Sep 8 2010 04:01pm
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such an asthetic point of view.
if you think that there can possibly be 66 books that id read about morals, your 100% wrong. lol.
the Creator of everything CAN write 66 books about morals obv, but noone wants to read that. ALL of it is factual, and much of it has been proven
(sodom and gomorah found, noahs ark found, etc.) so the fact that your pride doesnt let you come close enough to it is said on your part, because you dont know true love.
which is the point of Christianity, not Heaven, not rewards, but the LOVE of CHrist.
I can tell you how many days i forget Heaven exsists because i pray and just get wrapped up in God's love, until i come on here, and seea different atheist posting about Heaven.

e/ spelling.


LOL

Where is it?
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Sep 8 2010 04:02pm
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I really wish Conviction would stop posting his mumbo jumbo. I'd be willing to bet he doesn't understand half of what he says, and his interpretation of various Bible verses is so literal and so off it's a wonder anyone takes him seriously enough to argue. As a Christian who's done a lot of research and soul searching, I understand how frustrating it can be to argue with a member of religion who argues only with evidence from their religion's holy book. I mean seriously, if I'm telling you I don't believe what's written in the book, why would I believe evidence that you put forth FROM THAT BOOK? This is why I've taken a more generalist approach to studying religion, and why my beliefs are the way they are.


mumbo jumbo huh, all of this arguing about logical facts and proofs and theories is mumbo jumbo, you can't win souls through using your own logic
it's not you that convicts men's hearts, it's the holy spirit, if you've really taken the time to research and soul search then you'd understand that
if i can give a million rational and provable things that say God created the world, would it then be by faith?
would you be coming to the throne of God with the faith as a child?
is this not why many scientists and brightest men of our day will never go to heaven or have a personal relationship with Christ because of their pride?
if you can't take the bible for face value and need provable theories then sadly my friend, you're not putting 100% faith in Jesus Christ
go ahead and study religion, because that is what it will always be to you, nothing but a RELIGION
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Sep 8 2010 04:07pm
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mumbo jumbo huh, all of this arguing about logical facts and proofs and theories is mumbo jumbo, you can't win souls through using your own logic
it's not you that convicts men's hearts, it's the holy spirit, if you've really taken the time to research and soul search then you'd understand that
if i can give a million rational and provable things that say God created the world, would it then be by faith?
would you be coming to the throne of God with the faith as a child?
is this not why many scientists and brightest men of our day will never go to heaven or have a personal relationship with Christ because of their pride?
if you can't take the bible for face value and need provable theories then sadly my friend, you're not putting 100% faith in Jesus Christ
go ahead and study religion, because that is what it will always be to you, nothing but a RELIGION


"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned" (I Cor. 2:14).
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Sep 8 2010 04:10pm
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"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned" (I Cor. 2:14).


right now i'm not even talking to people who do not believe in Creation
I am talking to you who claims to be a Christian, if you really did believe in jesus christ, then you should believe everything there is in the bible, otherwise, the bible is false, and your salvation is nothing
the backbone to every matter is the bible, why would you desert it?
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Sep 8 2010 04:11pm
Quote (Keasbey_Nights @ Sep 8 2010 01:50pm)
such an asthetic point of view.
if you think that there can possibly be 66 books that id read about morals, your 100% wrong. lol.
the Creator of everything CAN write 66 books about morals obv, but noone wants to read that. ALL of it is factual, and much of it has been proven
(sodom and gomorah found, noahs ark found, etc.) so the fact that your pride doesnt let you come close enough to it is said on your part, because you dont know true love.
which is the point of Christianity, not Heaven, not rewards, but the LOVE of CHrist.
I can tell you how many days i forget Heaven exsists because i pray and just get wrapped up in God's love, until i come on here, and seea different atheist posting about Heaven.

e/ spelling.


Okay...wow. Okay...wow. I don't even know what to say except I wasted my time rofl. Okay...you believe in Noah's ark... Okay. Even if that discovery is Noah's Ark, no one will say how big it is. Maybe there was a guy named Noah that built a boat, but it would have had to hold 35k+ individual animals averaging the size of a sheep. Do you know how fucking big that is?

Wait, what thing has been proven in the bible? Damn, I guess you are right. It said some guy built a boat. But if the boat is discovered and it's the size of like 5 sailboats, you'll just say the story was a metaphor.
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right now i'm not even talking to people who do not believe in Creation
I am talking to you who claims to be a Christian, if you really did believe in jesus christ, then you should believe everything there is in the bible, otherwise, the bible is false, and your salvation is nothing
the backbone to every matter is the bible, why would you desert it?


even when jesus was being tempted in the wilderness by Satan, did he use his own words? no, he used Scripture
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Sep 8 2010 04:13pm
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WOOOHOOO I KNEW SOMEONE READ DARWIN ON TRIAL!

A book is not a living thing. A book doesn't mutate and reproduce...

Do you believe there are germs around you? Do you believe there are single celled organisms?

Do you believe things can be born with mutations? Do you think things can reproduce? Do you think things can pass on mutations to their offspring?

Most importantly, do you believe earth is 6000 years old? If so...I can see why you don't believe in evolution. If a person is trapped in a room with no windows or lights for their entire life - from birth, by themselves, they would think it's pitch black everywhere. If someone came into their pitch black room with no windows that they have been living in for 30 years and some how communicated with them and told them you could see things with your eyes when you leave this place, the person would deny it.

There are so many factors contributing to the evolution of everything on earth every millisecond. The changes don't happen fast. They happen extremely slow and can only be measured when viewing the past millions of years. If the earth was 6000 years old (which it's factually not...you could go to the local museum and find something that is proven older), I wouldn't think things can evolve from nothing either.


Talk about someone honing in on ONE thing I said and completely ignoring everything else.

So lets take this apart.

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A book is not a living thing. A book doesn't mutate and reproduce...

Do you believe there are germs around you? Do you believe there are single celled organisms?

Do you believe things can be born with mutations? Do you think things can reproduce? Do you think things can pass on mutations to their offspring?


Yes, we do have vestigial organs. Now, do we have intermediate forms? Why is it we've found so many more dinosaur fossils than we have intermediary forms between humans and monkeys. I mean, of the few forms that have supposedly been found, most can be attributed to an individual's deformity rather than a representation of a whole. I mean, you could look at some members of our current population and produce similar skeletons.

If evolution occurs over the course of millions of years, how do you explain a shift from cold bloodedness to warm bloodedness? The body of a warm blooded animal cannot function with organs of a cold blooded animal and vice versa. How would a change that occurs over millions of years change something that would require an instant and complete change or would result in instant death?

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Most importantly, do you believe earth is 6000 years old? If so...I can see why you don't believe in evolution. If a person is trapped in a room with no windows or lights for their entire life - from birth, by themselves, they would think it's pitch black everywhere. If someone came into their pitch black room with no windows that they have been living in for 30 years and some how communicated with them and told them you could see things with your eyes when you leave this place, the person would deny it.


As for my belief on the age of the earth, I've stated that I believe it's existed for much longer than the biblical creation story exists, TWICE. Please read before you post. My reference to the library was a comparison to the big bang, not to evolution. As far as we've been able to see, the big bang, if it happened,resulted in no other planet with conditions conducive to the existence of life as we know it. What are the odds of that happening?

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Sep 8 2010 04:16pm
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Okay...wow. Okay...wow. I don't even know what to say except I wasted my time rofl. Okay...you believe in Noah's ark... Okay. Even if that discovery is Noah's Ark, no one will say how big it is. Maybe there was a guy named Noah that built a boat, but it would have had to hold 35k+ individual animals averaging the size of a sheep. Do you know how fucking big that is?

Wait, what thing has been proven in the bible? Damn, I guess you are right. It said some guy built a boat. But if the boat is discovered and it's the size of like 5 sailboats, you'll just say the story was a metaphor.


if they ever did find the boat, dont' you think there will be a mass turn to Christianity and the Bible?????
this is exactly what i'm trying to get at, if people believe on existing proofs about the bible, then there would be no use for faith, then faith would not be based on believing 100% in Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ alone, instead they will believe in a boat

there is also talk of the Ark of the Covenant, if someone were to find that, dont you think there will be a massive turn into Christianity?
if they found the tree of life where the garden of eden is, the world would be believing on something else other than Jesus Christ

do you not understand you cannot simply win people over with logic and proofs?
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Talk about someone honing in on ONE thing I said and completely ignoring everything else.

So lets take this apart.



Yes, we do have vestigial organs.  Now, do we have intermediate forms?  Why is it we've found so many more dinosaur fossils than we have intermediary forms between humans and monkeys.  I mean, of the few forms that have supposedly been found, most can be attributed to an individual's deformity rather than a representation of a whole.  I mean, you could look at some members of our current population and produce similar skeletons.

If evolution occurs over the course of millions of years, how do you explain a shift from cold bloodedness to warm bloodedness?  The body of a warm blooded animal cannot function with organs of a cold blooded animal and vice versa.  How would a change that occurs over millions of years change something that would require an instant and complete change or would result in instant death?

As for my belief on the age of the earth, I've stated that I believe it's existed for much longer than the biblical creation story exists, TWICE.  Please read before you post.  My reference to the library was a comparison to the big bang, not to evolution.  As far as we've been able to see, the big bang, if it happened,resulted in no other planet with conditions conducive to the existence of life as we know it.  What are the odds of that happening?


Thanks for courteously replying to my reply to you.
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