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Jun 14 2010 02:55pm
Quote (Schlag96 @ Jun 14 2010 03:41pm)
If you're so evolved, surely you understand that you could only be a small way through your total evolutionary process...

To others farther down the path of evolution your words might sound like the bleats and cries of a spiritual infant.


Yeah there are some pretty smart scientist out there. I would imagine that my words would mean little to them.
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Jun 14 2010 03:30pm
Quote (Aisu)aS( @ 14 Jun 2010 12:55)
Yeah there are some pretty smart scientist out there. I would imagine that my words would mean little to them.

How about a scientist so smart he's the cliche?

"I'm not an atheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what that is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of the most intelligent human toward God." --Einstein
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Jun 14 2010 05:08pm
Quote (Schlag96 @ Jun 14 2010 04:30pm)
How about a scientist so smart he's the cliche?

"I'm not an atheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what that is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of the most intelligent human toward God." --Einstein


Unfortunately, Einstein did not believe in a personal God and thus he's burning in hell at the moment.

On topic @ OP: Have faith.
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Jun 15 2010 04:10am
Quote (Aisu_aS @ Jun 14 2010 10:03pm)
Actually my mind is developed enough that i have evolved past the need to talk to imaginary people in the sky and blame all my problems on said people.


Talking to that 'imaginary' guy gives me strenght you could never even imagine of,

which makes me a better individual than you, cosidering the theory of evolution.

What I'm saying is that Religions are a product of evolution. In order to survive hard times, one needs to have something to believe in. I have it, you don't. You're weaker and your atheist genome will dissappear due to evolution.

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Jun 15 2010 08:18am
God freely gives the things that he says are available in His word.
You must read his word to know what is available to pray for and to receive.

You cannot simply pray for your cat to get struck by lightning, or for your lamp to float in the air... those things are not available.

God gave us great abilities as human beings. Most of the time we know what we need to do, and we already have the means to do it imo.

In all sincerity, I hope this was helpful <3


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Quote (MidnightRider @ Jun 14 2010 06:08pm)
Unfortunately, Einstein did not believe in a personal God and thus he's burning in hell at the moment.   

On topic @ OP:  Have faith.


i dont like to condemn anyone to Hell, because you don't know what he did in his last fews hours or days alive.
everyone has an hour in which God uses to reach to us. For alot of the world it is after the party stage of life.
In scripture this can be found, look at the villian who died with Christ, he got saved right before he died.
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Jun 15 2010 10:20am
Quote (Keasbey_Nights @ Jun 15 2010 10:51am)
i dont like to condemn anyone to Hell, because you don't know what he did in his last fews hours or days alive.
everyone has an hour in which God uses to reach to us. For alot of the world it is after the party stage of life.
In scripture this can be found, look at the villian who died with Christ, he got saved right before he died.


Einstein was rather vocal about his feelings towards a personal God.

"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly" - Einstein

"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weakness, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still purely primitive, legends...." -Einstein a year before his death

Etc.

Believe what you want though.

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Jun 16 2010 11:35pm
Quote (greydoom @ Jun 14 2010 12:32pm)
I'm not that kind of christian. Maybe I'm hypocrite because I believe in God for selfish reasons. But tbh, so does everyone else, that's how God created us - to be selfish.

HE DIDNT CREATE US TO BE SELFISH
The short answer to the question “why did God create us?” is “for His pleasure.” Revelation 4:11 says, “You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they were created and have their being.” Colossians 1:16 reiterates the point: “All things were created by him and for him.” Being created for God’s pleasure does not mean humanity was made to entertain God or provide Him with amusement. God is a creative Being, and it gives Him pleasure to create. God is a personal Being, and it gives Him pleasure to have other beings He can have a genuine relationship with.

Being made in the image and likeness of God (Genesis 1:27), human beings have the ability to know God and therefore love Him, worship Him, serve Him, and fellowship with Him. God did not create human beings because He needed them. As God, He needs nothing. In all eternity past, He felt no loneliness, so He was not looking for a “friend.” He loves us, but this is not the same as needing us. If we had never existed, God would still be God—the unchanging One (Malachi 3:6). The I AM (Exodus 3:14) was never dissatisfied with His own eternal existence. When He made the universe, He did what pleased Himself, and since God is perfect, His action was perfect. “It was very good” (Genesis 1:31).


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Jun 17 2010 10:25am
To the op, there are two reasons that I find are big in why my prayers aren't answered.

First, we ask for something that is not in line with God's will. Even if a request seems reasonable or necessary to us, if it is not what God has planned it will not happen. And it's not as if God has overlooked your situation because he has foreknowledge of everything that is happening and will happen. It says in Psalms: "Many, O LORD my God, are the wonders you have done. The things you planned for us no one can recount to you; were I to speak and tell of them, they would be too many to declare." I'm not saying that we must modify our expectations to only coincide with a pre-laid set of occurrences, but rather that we simply understand this as a reason why God allows seemingly horrible events to occur. Our own purview is so infinitesimal compared to God's that we almost never see the full effects of our actions. Especially when we're in a period of grief as when a loved one dies, it's nearly impossible to acknowledge that purpose is behind what happened.

The other reason which I find is a general cause of many peoples' frustration with prayer is a lack of work or commitment on our part. It's true that we can ask, and receive, things greater than we can manifest by ourselves, but from the biggest to the smallest request there is a necessary amount of work required on our parts. That statement can seem very frustrating and daunting at times, but the journey of doing so can reap its own rewards. And the range of work from the physical to the spiritual is tremendous. Three examples from different realms of life would be these:
1. Prayer for safety or healing of someone. If you're in a position to help physically than the 'solution' is obvious. It's tricky, however, because many times when we're in this instance it's very easy to overlook prayer because we can commit to an action and see results. I know many times I will forget to pray for an outcome if I'm reasonably sure of a positive result. Even in these times it is equally important to do so because despite our involvement, it is God who oversees the final result. Now when you are in this situation but are unable to do anything physically, there is still 'work' that you can do. Praying is not like filing a slip of paper in God's inbox and waiting for it to be processed. God will never be overloaded or upset with prayers flooding him. Praying daily or even more frequently about a specific subject is a reaffirmation to God of how important the situation is in your life and that it can't be resolved without His help. There is extraordinary meaning in praying and praying and praying that is hard to judge from the outside looking in.
2. Praying for something physical, i.e. a job. If you're looking for something physically obtainable the steps we must put in become more clear than in a spiritual matter. I can stay at home and pray 24/7 for a new job, but what are the chances that an employer would call you at home and offer you a job? Initiative is huge in these situations because if we do nothing to help ourselves all the while praying for God to handle things, it becomes very easy to get upset and bitter toward God for not fixing our problems for us. It is a tactic of Satan to use negative results in situations like these as a source of resentment toward God when many times we haven't done our part. If we do what we're able, when we're able our prayers become an effective supplement in finding a resolution. Remember though, nothing is too small to pray about. If something is important to us, it's important to God because of how much he loves us and wants to be a part of our lives.
3. Prayer for our own relationship with God. This is what you mentioned in your post and even gave us your own solution :) There are spiritual things we can do; continued prayer being chief among them. There are also innumerable physical ways we can strengthen our spiritual bond with God. Studying the bible is, I believe, the best way because simply it is God's word. Many times it's hard to hear Him speak to you directly; in these instances His word is still available. Meditating on scripture is a meld of the physical and spiritual. Committing time solely to God is another way we can affirm to Him that our relationship is important. Finding ways to be around other spiritual outlets is another benefit to our spirituality. Garbage in, garbage out. Exposing yourself daily to violence or sex or jealously will cause us to dwell on these things when it's not appropriate. Strengthening a relationship with God is an enormous commitment that spans your whole life and beyond. Developing positive habits, especially relating to where and how you spend your time is not easy to begin to do, but is fundamental to any strong relationship. Even when we've done so, however, it takes an active role in studying, learning, helping in spiritual areas for growth to occur. It can be easy to get lost in the middle of sin on one side and God on the other in a comfortable apathy, but Revelations says, 'So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth.' There are days we're on fire for Jesus and want to do all we can and there are times when we're simply devastated and want nothing to do with him. Even in these times it's so important to have a solid foundation of habits and people to talk to that we can use to work through all of the conflicts that make us feel that way. The two most important things in all of this are that we focus on God even when we ask for our own things and that we continue to give him the praise He deserves whether or not the outcome is what we desire.
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Jun 17 2010 11:46am
i pray for less war and less people like g.w.bush

i dont think any1 will here me out tho :cry:

Quote (greydoom @ 27 May 2010 18:47)
For not sounding completely selfish, I'll ask something from you: What do you believe in? What's the main source of strenght in your life?


its sex. its awesome and makes me feel good. i can only recommend it. and why shouldnt we? god himself gave us the tools to do so :drool:

This post was edited by da_chi on Jun 17 2010 11:49am
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