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Aug 21 2011 08:49am
Quote (Kisssofdeath @ Aug 20 2011 10:55pm)
You have not disproven anything...its simply your interpretation.  Besides, it's not something you will loose your salvation over and your mind is made up.  So, what is the point in debating it further.  I think you are just mad because I don't agree with tattoos.  Honestly, you shouldn't be mad "if you are" because you shouldn't care what I believe. 

Like I said, I only replied to address invisiblehand's reply.  My reply was for him, not you.


I'm really not mad. I am more frustrated with the fact that you won't discuss the issue. All I am asking is for you to explain your beliefs that you have "studied." You called me and everyone else who has a tattoo a sinner (post 28), so explain it. If you are going to rebuke us, do it the way the Bible teaches.

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Aug 21 2011 02:12pm
There's nothing wrong with tattoos..

They carry meaning, and why not live a little? You only live once.

I believe in God, but do i think that if i tattoo my body that i would go to hell? Lol?

I dont consider the person with tattoos from head to toe and a face full of piercings to be any less religious than the person with none.

It's almost arrogant to say the opposite.
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Aug 21 2011 03:51pm
Yep, anyone can come to Christ tattooed or not.

Its the heart (whats inside) that matters.

I probably won't get any tattoos just because thats my preference, but I'm definitely not going to say that someone is any less than me in the kingdom because they have one.

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I have debated on whether or not to continue on with this topic. It is clearly evident that one must make their own decision wihen it comes to deciding to get a tattoo. I am not here to offend anyone and I do not believe for one second that getting a tattoo will keep one out of Heaven although personally I do believe it is a sin but sin can be forgiven with the proper steps laid out by God's Word. Sin is transgression of the Law.


People interpret passages in the Bible different sometimes, that's simply man's free will at work.

Leviticus 19:28 reads "You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor tattoo any marks on you: I am the LORD." For some reason you think the tattoos are for the dead also, when in fact, the verse does not say getting a tattoo was for the dead. Again, this is how you interpret the verse and that's your choice. The way I interpret it is the phrase "for the dead" is ONLY referencing the "cuttings in your flesh". The condemnation of "nor print ANY marks upon you" is not qualified by the phrase "for the dead". Also, if you’ll notice the verse clearly says "ANY marks" period. If you intentionally cut yourself would that not leave a mark?

You interpret 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 as dealing with sexual immoralities because of verse 18. I can see where you are going with that but does that mean that if anything else defiles the temple of God it is ok? Absolutely not.


1 Corinthians 6:19-20
19 "Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? 20 For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’s."


1 Corinthians 3:16-17
16" Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? 17 If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are." Is this verse also related just to sexual immorality? If so, why isn't it consistant with 1 Corinthians 6:19-20? God is not the author of confusuion, there are no contradicitons in the Bible. Difficult passages must be taking in light of easy to understand ones.

You have mentioned these verses already, surely you would have come to that conclusion?

You see, all this is about is being obedient to God's Word. You mentioned you did it to honor God. Do you think the tattoo pleases God even though according to1 Corinthians 3:16-17 it "might" have defiled the temple in God's eyes?

Take notice in Chronicles 13: 9-10

9 And when they came to Chidon’s threshing floor, Uzza put out his hand to hold the ark, for the oxen stumbled. 10 Then the anger of the Lord was aroused against Uzza, and He struck him because he put his hand to the ark; and he died there before God.”

Uzza thought he was doing good in God's eyes by trying to keep the ark from falling when the oxen stumbled. What Uzza really did was disobey God and touch the ark.

Numbers 4:15 says "And when Aaron and his sons have finished covering the sanctuary and all the furnishings of the sanctuary, when the camp is set to go, then the sons of Kohath shall come to carry them; but they shall not touch any holy thing, lest they die. “These are the things in the tabernacle of meeting which the sons of Kohath are to carry.

Men have picked and chosen specific verses to suit their desires or intentions for many years and will do so the end of time. It is not about us and what we want, it is about God and being obedient to his Word. I have said this before, God is not the author of confusuion, there are no contradicitons in the Bible. Difficult passages must be taking in light of easy to understand ones.

If a person chooses to get a tattoo then that is their choice. They don't have to answer to me. If someone reads this and is offended please go back and read the first paragraph.




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Aug 21 2011 09:21pm
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If you read the rest of the chapter, you would see that each command pertains to that issue alone. Why, for this one verse, would God include two commands unrelated to each other in one sentence? Furthermore, it isn't some myth I am talking about when I say that pagans back then cut themselves, their hair, and tattooed themselves while performing rituals for the dead. The Bible is not the only text from then that has been studied by historians.

Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
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Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead,.... Either with their nails, tearing their cheeks and other parts, or with any instrument, knife, razor, &c. Jarchi says, it was the custom of the Amorites, when anyone died, to cut their flesh, as it was of the Scythians, as Herodotus (d) relates, even those of the royal family; for a king they cut off a part of the ear, shaved the hair round about, cut the arms about, wounded the forehead and nose, and transfixed the left hand with arrows; and so the Carthaginians, who might receive it from the Phoenicians, being a colony of theirs, used to tear their hair and mouths in mourning, and beat their breasts (e); and with the Romans the women used to tear their cheeks in such a manner that it was forbid by the law of the twelve tables, which some have thought was taken from hence: and all this was done to appease the infernal deities, and to give them satisfaction for the deceased, and to make them propitious to them, as Varro (f) affirms; and here it is said to be made "for the soul", for the soul of the departed, to the honour of it, and for its good, though the word is often used for a dead body: now, according to the Jewish canons (g), whosoever made but one cutting for a dead person was guilty, and to be scourged; and he that made one for five dead men, or five cuttings for one dead man, was obliged to scourging for everyone of them:

nor print any marks upon you; Aben Ezra observes, there are some that say this is in connection with the preceding clause, for there were who marked their bodies with a known figure, by burning, for the dead; and he adds, and there are to this day such, who are marked in their youth in their faces, that they may be known; these prints or marks were made with ink or black lead, or, however, the incisions in the flesh were filled up therewith; but this was usually done as an idolatrous practice; so says Ben Gersom, this was the custom of the Gentiles in ancient times, to imprint upon themselves the mark of an idol, to show that they were his servants; and the law cautions from doing this, as he adds, to the exalted name (the name of God): in the Misnah it is said (h), a man is not guilty unless he writes the name, as it is said, Leviticus 19:28; which the Talmudists (i) and the commentators (k) interpret of the name of an idol, and not of God:

I am the Lord; who only is to be acknowledged as such, obeyed and served, and not any strange god, whose mark should be imprinted on them.

(d) Melpomene, sive, l. 4. c. 71. (e) Alex. ab Alex. Genial. Dier. l. 3. c. 7. (f) Apud Servium in Virgil. Aeneid. 3.((g) Misn. Maccot, c. 3. sect. 5. (h) Ibid. sect. 6. (i) T. Bab. Maccot, fol. 21. 1.((k) Jarchi, Maimon. Bartenora, & Ez Chayim in Misn. ut supra. (g))


Initially I tried to avoid using this lame argument, but do you cut your hair? Of course, because you aren't doing it as a pagan ritual.

This post was edited by Diligence on Aug 21 2011 09:24pm
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Aug 21 2011 09:32pm
skimmed through. saw leviticus.
leviticus is not directed at me, a christian gentile.
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Aug 21 2011 10:13pm
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Gill's Initially I tried to avoid using this lame argument, but do you cut your hair? Of course, because you aren't doing it as a pagan ritual.



1 Corinthians 11:14
14 Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him?

What is your interpretation on that?
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1 Corinthians 11:14
14 Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him?

What is your interpretation on that?


You explain it to me:

Quote (Kisssofdeath @ Aug 21 2011 06:55pm)
God is not the author of confusuion, there are no contradicitons in the Bible.  Difficult passages must be taking in light of easy to understand ones.


I don't believe there are contradictions, and the cutting of hair is not a contradiction (Leviticus prohibiting it, and Corinthians mandating it) for the same reason I believe tattoos are okay - the cutting of hair then was forbidden because it was a pagan ritual.

e: You forgot to comment on Gill's Exposition.

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Aug 21 2011 11:37pm
Exactly, and we are not under the Levitical priesthood anymore. Those laws were so that people then didn't participate in pagan practices.

We have a new high priest, he lives forever, and his name is Jesus Christ!
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Quote (Kisssofdeath @ Aug 21 2011 11:13pm)
1 Corinthians 11:14
14 Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him?

What is your interpretation on that?


I'm still waiting.
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