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May 26 2012 10:18am
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1 John 1:8-9

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8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.

1 Timothy 2:5

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5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus,


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May 26 2012 10:20am
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Read your own quote.



The quote is talking about confessing sins to God. Read the link that I provided. Jesus Christ is our mediator to God.

Notice in this scripture that David is confessing to God. Not a priest.

Psalm 38

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Psalm 38[a]
A psalm of David. A petition.

1 Lord, do not rebuke me in your anger
or discipline me in your wrath.
2 Your arrows have pierced me,
and your hand has come down on me.
3 Because of your wrath there is no health in my body;
there is no soundness in my bones because of my sin.
4 My guilt has overwhelmed me
like a burden too heavy to bear.

5 My wounds fester and are loathsome
because of my sinful folly.
6 I am bowed down and brought very low;
all day long I go about mourning.
7 My back is filled with searing pain;
there is no health in my body.
8 I am feeble and utterly crushed;
I groan in anguish of heart.

9 All my longings lie open before you, Lord;
my sighing is not hidden from you.
10 My heart pounds, my strength fails me;
even the light has gone from my eyes.
11 My friends and companions avoid me because of my wounds;
my neighbors stay far away.
12 Those who want to kill me set their traps,
those who would harm me talk of my ruin;
all day long they scheme and lie.

13 I am like the deaf, who cannot hear,
like the mute, who cannot speak;
14 I have become like one who does not hear,
whose mouth can offer no reply.
15 Lord, I wait for you;
you will answer, Lord my God.
16 For I said, “Do not let them gloat
or exalt themselves over me when my feet slip.”

17 For I am about to fall,
and my pain is ever with me.
18 I confess my iniquity;
I am troubled by my sin.
19 Many have become my enemies without cause[b];
those who hate me without reason are numerous.
20 Those who repay my good with evil
lodge accusations against me,
though I seek only to do what is good.

21 Lord, do not forsake me;
do not be far from me, my God.
22 Come quickly to help me,
my Lord and my Savior.

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May 26 2012 10:44am
Glory be to God.
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May 26 2012 12:25pm
You're all over the place on this topic. Can you please clarify what your question is? There are many scriptural areas that show confession should be continued after salvation (James, etc). If you are just contending that confession should be between you and God, then you're just rehashing the same arguments of Protestant vs. Catholic that's been ongoing for hundreds of years. If you're saying confession isn't necessary at all (even to God directly), I'm sure most Christians would label you a heretic.
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You're all over the place on this topic. Can you please clarify what your question is? There are many scriptural areas that show confession should be continued after salvation (James, etc). If you are just contending that confession should be between you and God, then you're just rehashing the same arguments of Protestant vs. Catholic that's been ongoing for hundreds of years. If you're saying confession isn't necessary at all (even to God directly), I'm sure most Christians would label you a heretic.



Acts 16:31

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31 They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved —you and your household.”

The gift of salvation is free. As long as we have faith in the Lord, we have salvation. There are no strings attached to this gift. There is no Belief in the Lord Jesus Christ and live a pure life and confess your sins to a priest to receive salvation. In fact, it was said that all believers are priests. There is only one High Priest, there is only one mediator between us and God, and that is Jesus Christ. You call heresy following the bible to the fullest extend? It is heresy to follow man made doctrine and not God made doctrine. I am only trying to separate man made doctrine from the doctrine of God so I know what to believe and how to receive salvation. Going to confession is like saying the gift that Jesus Christ gave us is not enough, the gift of salvation based on faith, and faith alone, not works, as has been stated in the bible that works will get you no where because the idea that salvation is gained through works is an idea of the old covenant and God knew the old covenant would never work because as long as one law would be broken, they all would be broken, and no one on earth has lived a perfect life except Jesus Christ, because he is the son of God, and was sent here to save us from sin, for all time.

James 2:10

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10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

2 Timothy 1:9

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9 He has saved us and called us to a holy life—not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace. This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time,


Hebrews 10

11 Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool. 14 For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.

15 The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says:

16 “This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.”[B]17 Then he adds:

“Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.”[c]

Please, if you have something to refute my claims, please state them, I don't claim to know everything about the bible, I am just asking you to show me something to refute my claims so that we may grow as Christians. Where in the bible does it say we must confess our sins to a priest to receive salvation? You can not give me scripture on this because it does not exist. Are we not all a holy priesthood and Jesus Christ our one and only High Priest and mediator to the father? How is it heresy to follow the Bible word for word? Is it not heresy to follow man made doctrine and not God made doctrine? That is why I am here. I want to separate God made doctrine from man made doctrine so that I can live a pure life, and I might argue that, a pure life is based on faith, and not works, because works don't matter as has been previously stated and proved by scripture. Let us continue our conversation to discover the truth. The truth is in the bible.

1 Peter 2

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2 Therefore, rid yourselves of all malice and all deceit, hypocrisy, envy, and slander of every kind. 2 Like newborn babies, crave pure spiritual milk, so that by it you may grow up in your salvation, 3 now that you have tasted that the Lord is good.
The Living Stone and a Chosen People

4 As you come to him, the living Stone —rejected by humans but chosen by God and precious to him— 5 you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house[a] to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6 For in Scripture it says:

“See, I lay a stone in Zion,
a chosen and precious cornerstone,
and the one who trusts in him
will never be put to shame.”[b]

7 Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe,

“The stone the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone,”[c]

8 and,

“A stone that causes people to stumble
and a rock that makes them fall.”[d]

They stumble because they disobey the message—which is also what they were destined for.

9 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 10 Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.

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May 26 2012 09:44pm
I should even probably stop reading and posting scripture from the NIV.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/NIV/why.htm
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May 26 2012 11:28pm
i think it is never okay to sin but do we really have to go to a confessional booth in order to be renewed in spirit if we have already the conviction to turn away from sin
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May 26 2012 11:37pm
Quote (njaguar @ May 26 2012 09:44am)
Please do read what is being written to you. John 8:11 which I wrote back a page clearly shows a woman confessing and being forgiven for her sins (by Jesus). In fact, you'll find this repeatedly throughout scripture. Even the thief on the cross confessed by stating that he was guilty and Jesus was innocent.


This.

My opinion fwiw..I don't see why it has to be a priest you go to to confess sins. Jesus is the mediator and he can hear you. If you screw up its a simple prayer of repentness. Learn from your mistakes.
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May 26 2012 11:40pm
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You're all over the place on this topic. Can you please clarify what your question is? There are many scriptural areas that show confession should be continued after salvation (James, etc). If you are just contending that confession should be between you and God, then you're just rehashing the same arguments of Protestant vs. Catholic that's been ongoing for hundreds of years. If you're saying confession isn't necessary at all (even to God directly), I'm sure most Christians would label you a heretic.



I now believe that either is okay whether confessing your sins to God directly or to a priest I realize many people have different opinions I think that if we do our best to grow in the holy spirit and ask God
for forgiveness directly or to a priest it shows we want to turn away from our sins and live a holy life I think this thread should be closed and I hope that everyone who has read this can see that I am
very ignorant and also they should know that it is never okay to sin and to please stop sinning so you can grow thanks to God.
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May 27 2012 04:02am
INVESTIGATING GRAY GREY MAYBE HUH? 50/50? WHAT?

[Stuff thats grey] War has a lot of grey. but war happens a lot.

Relationships, can lead to sin. relationships happen a lot

public schools, can have kids sinning. there are a lot of public schools


[What happens with grey] The world is not black and white. it is covered with gray.

navigating stocks(gray) wins big money

winning wars, creates kings/countries


[More grey results] doing well in school past grad recides ur hairline and gives u a degree that does nothing for the # of rich people statistics, that never changed so far

doing the gray well in a relationship changes 2 people for the better. a relationship is connected to many things such as job/family/kids/finances


The world is not perfect. We are not perfect. We are not in Heaven. We are not in Hell.



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