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Jun 14 2011 06:22pm
Quote (haloneya @ Jun 14 2011 05:20pm)
what kind of bullshit is that statement?

so life on the earth is just a thing that has to be passed,,, and there is no home

sounds very wrong to me


there is a purpose for man on Earth. You just have to find yours.
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Jun 14 2011 07:44pm
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tolerance is one of the biggest problems in todays christianity and within the church.

" oh your free to do this i guess "  " oh its rude to do this "  " oh i dont want to hurt someones feelings "

the truth of th ematter is.  your either for god or against him.  your either a believer or you are " anti-christ ".

anything against god is Anti-Christ and you are apart of the Beast.

as weasel quoted from the bible:

"And because you are like luke warm water, neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth"

this verse exactly.  you cant just pick and choose what you want to and not follow from the bible.

everything is in there for a reason ( gods perfect will ).  if god didnt want something in the bible and didnt want it to be interpreted a certain way, im pretty sure our almighty god would've changed something, dontchathink?

there shouldnt be any of this " respect my view " stuff..... this is how people go about being decieved and starting pagon religions..... misinterpretation and disbeliefs in certain aspects of the bible....


What happened to the freedom to believe? Everybody is free to believe. As I said earlier, if you let others decide what you should believe (for instance, making stuff as black and white as you make it seem) then you're not a believer; then you're just being indoctrinated. I have the right to believe what I think is right. As I explained so many times by now, there are parts of the Bible that I find very inspiring, and there are other parts that I couldn't care less about. The part that tells me that my way of believing is wrong, is one of those parts I'll gladly skip, because I am very certain that it's not what God wants. If he wanted every righteous person to believe every single thing the Bible said, then he'd have made it easy for us and left tons of incontestable, undeniable evidence. He didn't, which is more than enough reason for me to know that he simply wants everybody to believe in their own way.
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Jun 14 2011 09:10pm
Quote (UncleMuscles @ Jun 14 2011 03:52pm)
tolerance is one of the biggest problems in todays christianity and within the church.

" oh your free to do this i guess "  " oh its rude to do this "  " oh i dont want to hurt someones feelings "

the truth of th ematter is.  your either for god or against him.  your either a believer or you are " anti-christ ".

anything against god is Anti-Christ and you are apart of the Beast.

as weasel quoted from the bible:

"And because you are like luke warm water, neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth"

this verse exactly.  you cant just pick and choose what you want to and not follow from the bible.

everything is in there for a reason ( gods perfect will ).  if god didnt want something in the bible and didnt want it to be interpreted a certain way, im pretty sure our almighty god would've changed something, dontchathink?

there shouldnt be any of this " respect my view " stuff..... this is how people go about being decieved and starting pagon religions..... misinterpretation and disbeliefs in certain aspects of the bible....


I completely agree to this.
There is none of that "I'll read this because it suits me or ignore that because it doesn't" God's word is God's word. No exceptions
The truth of the matter is, we live in the world or we live in the Spirit. We cannot live in both.
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Jun 14 2011 09:25pm
Quote (Vio @ Jun 14 2011 09:44pm)
What happened to the freedom to believe? Everybody is free to believe. As I said earlier, if you let others decide what you should believe (for instance, making stuff as black and white as you make it seem) then you're not a believer; then you're just being indoctrinated. I have the right to believe what I think is right. As I explained so many times by now, there are parts of the Bible that I find very inspiring, and there are other parts that I couldn't care less about. The part that tells me that my way of believing is wrong, is one of those parts I'll gladly skip, because I am very certain that it's not what God wants. If he wanted every righteous person to believe every single thing the Bible said, then he'd have made it easy for us and left tons of incontestable, undeniable evidence. He didn't, which is more than enough reason for me to know that he simply wants everybody to believe in their own way.


If God left evidence the "narrow path" would become wide and every single person would be a christian.

There has to be an enemy and there has to be an evil to overcome and fight for us to be righteous and overcomers.

you say "I can choose what I want to believe", Sure you can. But just be sure you know that your just trying to live life like a fairy tale where you can believe whatever you want and there is no consequence.

Ya know what, I'm just going to start believing that the Kraken is God and you have to swim all the way to the bottom of the sea to get to heaven because thats what I believe is right. Yoou mind as well be saying that. LOL

I can believe retarded stuff too. I believe that there is a magical unicorn that will save me when all my troubles come. And then my life will be perfect for ever with magical unicorns circling the earth. LOLLLLLLLLL

You can believe whatever the hell you want, but don't be decieved thinking your going to be with God at the end of it all. You either believe the bible as a whole or you don't. you can't write your own bible and pick your own crap out that you like the best. Thats just living life selfishly and denying anything you don't like to hear lol
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Jun 14 2011 09:46pm
Quote (Vio @ 14 Jun 2011 18:44)
What happened to the freedom to believe? Everybody is free to believe. As I said earlier, if you let others decide what you should believe (for instance, making stuff as black and white as you make it seem) then you're not a believer; then you're just being indoctrinated. I have the right to believe what I think is right. As I explained so many times by now, there are parts of the Bible that I find very inspiring, and there are other parts that I couldn't care less about. The part that tells me that my way of believing is wrong, is one of those parts I'll gladly skip, because I am very certain that it's not what God wants. If he wanted every righteous person to believe every single thing the Bible said, then he'd have made it easy for us and left tons of incontestable, undeniable evidence. He didn't, which is more than enough reason for me to know that he simply wants everybody to believe in their own way.


You certainly do have the right to believe what you want. However, you do not have the right to enter heaven. That is for God to decide, not you. If you deny God's truth as explained in the Bible, then why should He allow you to even enter into His presence? Read the first few chapters of Genesis plus the book of Matthew and/or the book of John if you haven't already. If you want to continue after that, you could read Acts and Romans. That's all of the Bible that you really need to read (and understand) to know God's truth.
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Jun 14 2011 10:50pm
There is hell.
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Jun 15 2011 02:59am
Quote (nate86 @ Jun 15 2011 05:46am)
You certainly do have the right to believe what you want. However, you do not have the right to enter heaven. That is for God to decide, not you. If you deny God's truth as explained in the Bible, then why should He allow you to even enter into His presence? Read the first few chapters of Genesis plus the book of Matthew and/or the book of John if you haven't already. If you want to continue after that, you could read Acts and Romans. That's all of the Bible that you really need to read (and understand) to know God's truth.


First of all, I'm just not going to respond to weasleface anymore. I'm perfectly fine with people disagreeing with me, but he's just ridiculing me, and the argument is going in circles with every post he makes.

nate86: You miss the part where I'm actually saying that I don't believe in an actual heaven the way it is described in the Bible. When I read about heaven, I find it to be a metaphor to all that's good in life. God judges us continuously, and what we do has very direct consequences, already way before we die. That's the way I see it, and I don't see a reason why this couldn't be true.
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Quote (Torm1 @ 15 Jun 2011 03:07)
Read the book of Enoch. It talks about hell too.

The Book of Enoch is apocryphal; it isn't accepted as being part of Scripture.

Jesus called it: "Outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

"The place where the worm dieth not, and the fire is never quenched."


"And they will go out and look upon the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; their worm will not die, nor will their fire be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind." -- Isaiah 66:24 (n.i.v)


"They have built the high places of Topheth in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire - something I did not command, nor did it enter my heart." -- Jeremiah 7:31 (n.i.v)

"They built high places for Baal in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to make their sons and daughters pass through [the fire] to Molech, though I never commanded, nor did it enter my heart, that they should do such a detestable thing and so make Judah sin." -- Jeremiah 32:35 (n.i.v)

'Valley of Hinnom' in the Old Testament:

Joshua 15:8, 8; 18:16, 16; 2 Kings 23:10; 2 Chronicles 28:3; 33:6; Nehemiah 11:30; Jeremiah 7:31, 32; 19:2, 6; 32:35

This post was edited by Heights on Jun 15 2011 07:11am
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Jun 15 2011 07:26am
Quote (haloneya @ 15 Jun 2011 09:20)
what kind of bullshit is that statement?

so life on the earth is just a thing that has to be passed,,, and there is no home

sounds very wrong to me


It is wrong!

"Behold, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind. But be glad and rejoice for ever in what I will create, for I will create Jerusalem to be a delight and its people a joy. I will rejoice over Jerusalem and take delight in my people; the sound of weeping and of crying will be heard in it no more."

"The wolf and the lamb will feed together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox, but dust will be the serpent's food. They will neither harm nor destroy on all my holy mountain," says Yahweh. - Isaiah 65:17, 18, 19, 25 (n.i.v)

"The wolf will live with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the goat, the calf and the lion will feed together; and a little child will lead them. The cow will feed with the bear, their young will lie down together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox. The infant will play near the hole of the cobra, and the young child put his hand into the viper's nest. They will neither harm nor destroy on all my holy mountain, for the earth will be full of the knowledge of Yahweh as the waters cover the sea." - Isaiah 11:6, 7, 8, 9 (n.i.v)

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"That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, the home of righteousness." - 2 Peter 3:12, 13 (n.i.v)

"Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will tabernacle with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away." - Revelation 21:1, 2, 3, 4 (n.i.v)

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Jun 15 2011 07:29am
Quote (weasleface @ 15 Jun 2011 03:19)
These references are not even refering to hell lol

when they say "the grave" they mean death itself not what comes after it.

you think life a fairy tale and everyone goes to heaven no matter what? are you serious>?


I told you. The same Hebrew word is used for "hell", "the grave", "the pit" ... H7585, look it up!

Quote (weasleface @ 15 Jun 2011 08:23)
"And because you are like luke warm water, neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth"


^ what does this have to do with this "hell" you believe in?

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