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May 21 2011 05:48pm
It is an interesting question. Are the natives of South and North America during the Age of Exploration, who accepted baptism for reasons arbitrary to the Sacrament's intention, to be sent to Heaven just because they underwent the mandatory ritual, while those who, despite equal moral mannerism, are denied paradise because they never once heard God's words?

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Doubtful. He may have known that would occur, but that is different from intended.

Post #11 sort of answers this. You have to think back to understand this question, initially all of mankind did know God, once you back it up to the very beginning first 2 humans. Those that chose to turn their backs on God doomed themselves and their entire generational line, unless individuals within it were able to come to God through happenstance (missionaries, etc).

I see this accusation a lot, and it's natural to feel angry at God and blame him, but you cannot forget the role that their ancestors took, and exclude them from blame. A good analogy is some parents with children, whom decide to cross a large desert without food or water. Their actions may doom themselves and their children.

Some may consider this part of a generational sin thing, which you're not accountable for, but I'm not sure if it applies in this situation. I have also heard others say that those that never had a chance to know God/Christ still have a chance at salvation, if they lived a "Christ-like" life. I haven't really seen any scripture to back up "only Christ-like behavior", though, and plenty that contradicts such a viewpoint.

So let's break this down for a moment, some people will blame God, and accuse him of being "mean/evil/whatever", but what have you done to rectify the situation? Perhaps this is even more of a reason and calling to do missionary work to help save these people, and if you get down to the nitty gritty, perhaps the only person to blame is yourself for doing nothing to help these people.It's like standing by and watching people die in a fire, when perhaps you could have ran in and saved them, or helped to put out the fire. Use that passion for a good purpose!


if he knew it were to occur and he created us in such a manner there is no doubt it is on purpose. god is perfect, he doesn't make mistakes.

we're not the all-loving, benevolent ones

we're not the omnipotent ones
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God is not relative.

For example, people seem to think they can make up their own gods tailored to their liking in these times.

But they won't accept the real one.


what?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deities

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May 21 2011 10:55pm
Exactly, you think you can pick and choose, but those ones aren't real.

And when Yahweh comes back to this planet and sends them out to haul you in, they will know your heart.
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Exactly, you think you can pick and choose, but those ones aren't real.

And when Yahweh comes back to this planet and sends them out to haul you in, they will know your heart.


how do you know this. not why do you believe this

what if one of the other ones come?

who is them?

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how do you know this. not why do you believe this

what if one of the other ones come?

who is them?


Because you can observe ancient cultures such as the Sumerians, and find out.

They are the reapers.

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telling me to observe a culture that doesn't even exist anymore not only is impossible it doesn't explain how you know all other gods are fake while the christian one is real
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telling me to observe a culture that doesn't even exist anymore not only is impossible it doesn't explain how you know all other gods are fake while the christian one is real


Because He's the one who did all the stuff. He's the only one who people literally saw. The only one who is actually physically real & has any impact.

Not only that, but Jesus was sent down to this planet 2000 years ago, to make a way for us sinning humans to be reconciled.

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Because He's the one who did all the stuff. He's the only one who people literally saw. The only one who is actually physically real & has any impact.

Not only that, but Jesus was sent down to this planet 2000 years ago, to make a way for us sinning humans to be reconciled.


have you ever studied any other religion? they're very quite similar and many of them created before Christianity. in their religions their god created life, how can you say it was yours who 'did all the stuff' ? whatever the stuff is. how do you know people literally saw god? what does god look like? why did he reveal his visible form? what is the difference between physically real and real? if he is physical, what is he made of? the other ones have made impact, i'm sure you've heard of the pyramids, etc.



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Because He's the one who did all the stuff. He's the only one who people literally saw. The only one who is actually physically real & has any impact.

Not only that, but Jesus was sent down to this planet 2000 years ago, to make a way for us sinning humans to be reconciled.



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Quote (Torm1 @ May 21 2011 03:28pm)
God is not relative.

For example, people seem to think they can make up their own gods tailored to their liking in these times.

But they won't accept the real one.


i dont understand what you are getting at
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