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#31
Mar 14 2011 08:47pm
Ive said it plenty of times, God does not send people to hell, sin does. Sin will cause you to go to hell, not God.
I wish i knew the scripture that explains this to you.

And yes Satan can literally drag you down with him. He will decieve you so much to the point where he can snatch you away. God is in constant war against evil, fighting to keep his people alive.

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Mar 14 2011 08:48pm
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no i am not trolling. and as i said, God doesnt send people to hell, sin does. when the day of judgement arrives, God will judge you and either let you enter into the kingdom of heaven, or u will be condemned*  to hell, which is your puishment, but it is not God that made you go there, it was yourself that made you go there. Hell was not made for God's people, it was made for Satan. Satan does pull people into hell through misleading and deceiving people into thinking they do not need God.

*condemned - To pronounce judgment against

God created Man, and then after that He forbade many of the things that are in Man's nature to do. In that respect, God is directly responsible for Man "choosing" to sin.

Consider the fact that God created Man without the ability to differentiate between Good and Evil, between Right and Wrong. God then punished Man for disobedience (eating from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil) when it was not possible for Man to understand why disobeying God was Evil or Wrong.

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#33
Mar 14 2011 08:48pm
John 3 where Jesus himself explains it for us so we don't even need to go through all this.

John 3

For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that through him, it might be saved.

Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe IS condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

This is the condemnation: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness rather than light because their deeds were evil.
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Mar 14 2011 08:52pm
Quote (bentherdonethat @ Mar 14 2011 10:48pm)
God created Man, and then after that He forbade many of the things that are in Man's nature to do. In that respect, God is directly responsible for Man "choosing" to sin.

Consider the fact that God created Man without the ability to differentiate between Good and Evil, between Right and Wrong. God then punished Man for disobedience (eating from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil) when it was not possible for Man to understand why disobeying God was Evil or Wrong.


I'm sorry but I have to disagree with this. Human was made in the image and likeness of God. Basically meaning we were made to be LIKE God. In the beginning, we knew no wrong, knew no evil. But the devil tempted Eve, causing her and Adam to eat from the tree of knowledge, thus giving them the knowledge of knowing right from wrong. This is all in the first chapter of the bible if youd like to read.
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#35
Mar 14 2011 08:54pm
Quote (cadizzle1392 @ Mar 15 2011 02:47am)
Ive said it plenty of times, God does not send people to hell, sin does. Sin will cause you to go to hell, not God.
I wish i knew the scripture that explains this to you.

And yes Satan can literally drag you down with him. He will decieve you so much to the point where he can snatch you away. God is in constant war against evil, fighting to keep his people alive.


Colossians 1:16:
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For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.


God created sin.

Your posts have no biblical backing.

You can't even argue with an atheist using your own beliefs. You consistently admit you're uneducated in the bible yet try to tell me about your religion.
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Mar 14 2011 08:57pm
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Colossians 1:16:


God created sin.

Your posts have no biblical backing.

You can't even argue with an atheist using your own beliefs.  You consistently admit you're uneducated in the bible yet try to tell me about your religion.


I'm not so sure about that one, you may be right, you may be wrong about God making sin. But I know some areas of the bible, if i dont know about it, ill will admit to so, but if i do know something about it, i shall surely comment and rebuke what you are saying.

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Mar 14 2011 08:59pm
Quote (cadizzle1392 @ Mar 14 2011 08:47pm)
Ive said it plenty of times, God does not send people to hell, sin does. Sin will cause you to go to hell, not God.
I wish i knew the scripture that explains this to you.

And yes Satan can literally drag you down with him. He will decieve you so much to the point where he can snatch you away. God is in constant war against evil, fighting to keep his people alive.


How does sin have power over an all powerful all seeing and all knowing being? What magic does it hold? The idea of sin is either that something is stronger than god (the actual cause of sin) or that the rules god gives and sends people to hell for are totally arbitrary (since god would decide what is good and bad and nothing would ever make him wrong)

Quote (cadizzle1392 @ Mar 14 2011 08:57pm)
I'm not so sure about that one, you may be right, you may be wrong about God making sin. But I know some areas of the bible, if i dont know about it, ill will admit to so, but if i do know something about it, i shall surely comment and rebuke what you are saying.


buy a bible and educate yourself on your own religion. I have several laying around and will mail you one if you like =/

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#38
Mar 14 2011 09:01pm
I've dealt with these before on other forums. They like to stir up strife. Its sad though because their hearts are just being further hardened, and it actually makes me wonder how or if they even have a chance to come to salvation at a later date :(

It actually grieves me pretty bad in my heart.
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#39
Mar 14 2011 09:02pm
Quote (Torm1 @ Mar 14 2011 09:01pm)
I've dealt with these before on other forums. They like to stir up strife. Its sad though because their hearts are just being further hardened, and it actually makes me wonder how or if they even have a chance to come to salvation at a later date :(

It actually grieves me pretty bad in my heart.


because you can't give an actual answer other than quote the same scripture that doesn't answer the question =/
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Mar 14 2011 09:04pm
Quote (Torm1 @ Mar 14 2011 10:01pm)
I've dealt with these before on other forums. They like to stir up strife. Its sad though because their hearts are just being further hardened, and it actually makes me wonder how or if they even have a chance to come to salvation at a later date :(

It actually grieves me pretty bad in my heart.


That's true. Mostly people want to argue or insult someone else. Sad for sure.
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