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Feb 15 2011 05:41pm
Quote (bryce722 @ Feb 12 2011 06:28pm)
dreadlocks are not a sin in any way. Do not believe the legalists that tell you things like this are a sin. We are no longer under the old covenant and "it is for freedom that christ set us free" Galatians 5:1
galatians 5:18 continues to say "But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law."


Not true, the old testament is not just a covenant, in the new testament Paul talks about the old testament law in Romans 3:20 He says "Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin." He explains that just because Christ has come again and has fulfilled the old testament prophesies, it doesn't mean we are not under the old testament law today.

Paul explained in Romans 3:20 that the old testament law gives us the knowledge of sin. The old testament tells us what is sin and what isn't so we cannot tell God that we did not know what is right and wrong to do, hence the verse "..there shall no flesh be justified in his sight", our sinful self will not be justified because the old testament law tells us what sin is and that we should not do it.

As for the dreadlocks, the bible says man should not grow out his hair, (the verse was mentioned earlier in this post I believe so i will not repost). Many things the bible tells us not to do is for our example. The bible says, stay away from all appearance of evil.

Think about this scenario: If you were a lost person, wanting to learn about God, and you saw two men walking in the street. One man had dreadlocks, and the other man was clean-cut, which man would you personally feel more comfortable talking to about salvation?

I dont know about you, but I would most likely answer the clean-cut man because he has the "appearance" of being someone you could talk to about the Lord.

Many other things the bible mentions how we should dress/behave in the world is for reasons like this. Not every person will know you personally, therefore they will only be able to determine what you're like based on your outward appearance. This is why the Lord wants us to be clean-cut and modest because you may make someone turn away from you if you are not.

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Quote (Wisco @ Feb 3 2011 02:32am)
I met someone who said that dreadlocks are a sin because it's unclean and you're not supposed to grow your hair out (not sure which chapter this is said but I know what he was talking about, there is a verse somewhere stating it)

On the other hand in Acts it talks about the Nazerite vow in which you do not cut your hair or shave certain parts of your face, as well as a bunch of rules including but not limited to: not eating grapes, avoiding fermented drinks(alcohol), not eating meat especially things like pork, lobster, shrimp, scavengers of the earth etc


Jesus was clear that it's what's inside that counts and not the outside. (The story that He shared [more like rebuked] to the pharisees).

Only way it would be unbiblical would be if it causes someone else to sin by the hair... But I doubt anyone cares about hair that much.
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Feb 15 2011 05:45pm
Quote (qodhatten @ Feb 15 2011 07:41pm)

You would answer the clean-cut man because he has the "appearance" of being someone you could talk to about the Lord.



Who the hell are you to say what anyone would do?
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Who the **** are you to say what anyone would do?


Thank you for your considerate answer, I always appreciate someone who will correct my mistakes with understanding that not everyone types correctly when looking at a bible and typing at the same time, and that sometimes you lose track of what you typed last when looking down. I have edited it so that it sounds better now, and fits your critic.

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Think about this scenario: If you were a lost person, wanting to learn about God, and you saw two men walking in the street. One man had dreadlocks, and the other man was clean-cut, which man would you personally feel more comfortable talking to about salvation?

I dont know about you, but I would most likely answer the clean-cut man because he has the "appearance" of being someone you could talk to about the Lord.


This wouldn't be necessarily true.

What if in your scenario, the lost person also had dreadlocks?

I'll add a biblical context. 1 Corinthians 9:19-23.

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Thank you for your considerate answer, I always appreciate someone who will correct my mistakes with understanding that not everyone types correctly when looking at a bible and typing at the same time, and that sometimes you lose track of what you typed last when looking down. I have edited it so that it sounds better now, and fits your critic.



If you want to take me to task for using harsh language and being critical, do me the favor of dropping the smug, passive-aggression and speak your mind. I can take it - my Father in Heaven gave me a pair which dropped long ago. We can be respectful and still talk straight to one another around here, yes?

With that said I'm going to cal Bull**** . Once again, appearences are subjective. If the Lord wanted you to work amongst the corporate normies, then clean-cut would be great. if he wanted you amongst the alternative crowd, dreads would probably be a good fit.

There's a wrench for every nut.

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Quote (qodhatten @ Feb 15 2011 05:41pm)
Not true, the old testament is not just a covenant, in the new testament Paul talks about the old testament law in Romans 3:20 He says "Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin." He explains that just because Christ has come again and has fulfilled the old testament prophesies, it doesn't mean we are not under the old testament law today.

Paul explained in Romans 3:20 that the old testament law gives us the knowledge of sin. The old testament tells us what is sin and what isn't so we cannot tell God that we did not know what is right and wrong to do, hence the verse "..there shall no flesh be justified in his sight", our sinful self will not be justified because the old testament law tells us what sin is and that we should not do it.

As for the dreadlocks, the bible says man should not grow out his hair, (the verse was mentioned earlier in this post I believe so i will not repost). Many things the bible tells us not to do is for our example. The bible says, stay away from all appearance of evil.

Think about this scenario: If you were a lost person, wanting to learn about God, and you saw two men walking in the street. One man had dreadlocks, and the other man was clean-cut, which man would you personally feel more comfortable talking to about salvation?

I dont know about you, but I would most likely answer the clean-cut man because he has the "appearance" of being someone you could talk to about the Lord.

Many other things the bible mentions how we should dress/behave in the world is for reasons like this. Not every person will know you personally, therefore they will only be able to determine what you're like based on your outward appearance. This is why the Lord wants us to be clean-cut and modest because you may make someone turn away from you if you are not.


go read Galatians chapter 5, you do not understand the concept behind us not being under the law.
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If you want to take me to task for using harsh language and being critical, do me the favor of dropping the smug, passive-aggression and speak your mind. I can take it - my Father in Heaven gave me a pair which dropped long ago. We can be respectful and still talk straight to one another around here, yes?

With that said I'm going to cal Bull**** . Once again, appearences are subjective. If the Lord wanted you to work amongst the corporate normies, then clean-cut would be great. if he wanted you amongst the alternative crowd, dreads would probably be a good fit.

There's a wrench for every nut.


Someone who truly is a believer would not be among the "alternative" crowd as you put it because they would abstain from all appearances of evil and if you are among the evil, that's kind of contradictory is it not? If someone says they are a christian and hang around with people who would prefer not to be christians, you are contradicting your example. Secondly, we are to be examples to others and if we started fighting, what would that look like to other people? We are here to be good examples not flame and try and see who has better comebacks. If you would like a fight, please leave the forum where we are to have honor and respect as in the rules. My mind says this forum is to be for the benefit of those with questions and need answers, not debating about what is right and wrong because the bible clearly defines this.
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Someone who truly is a believer would not be among the "alternative" crowd as you put it because they would abstain from all appearances of evil and if you are among the evil, that's kind of contradictory is it not? If someone says they are a christian and hang around with people who would prefer not to be christians, you are contradicting your example. Secondly, we are to be examples to others and if we started fighting, what would that look like to other people? We are here to be good examples not flame and try and see who has better comebacks. If you would like a fight, please leave the forum where we are to have honor and respect as in the rules. My mind says this forum is to be for the benefit of those with questions and need answers, not debating about what is right and wrong because the bible clearly defines this.


Read the New Testament. You have a very legalistic viewpoint similar to the pharisees.
Jesus hung out with tax collectors, prostitutes and sinners. We are supposed to follow Jesus' example therefore we are supposed to hang out with sinners. Just as Jesus did, our best friends should be Christians for our fellowship but we should be out in the midst of sinners so we can witness.
As i said, go read Galatians 5 so you can see that legalism is not the way of Jesus. And please dont stop there, keep reading!
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Feb 15 2011 08:06pm
Quote (bryce722 @ Feb 15 2011 09:22pm)
Jesus hung out with tax collectors, prostitutes and sinners.



This.

Also, did he point his finger at any of them? No - the ones he called out on the carpet were the Priests. "Snakes and sons of snakes" were his words for them, I believe.


With that said, why are you accusing me of wanting a fight? This foum is for more than your reasons alone. But even going by your own guidelines, who are you to say you are the arbiter of truth around here? The Bible clearly defines things - accordiing to those who wish to interperate it. Ask, oh, every Biblical scholar in the last 1500 years. As I said before, if you take issue with something I say here then say it. I'm not infallible by any stretch of the imagination, and if I'm wrong I'll promptly admit it.

And with that, I will apologize for coming off as if I was flaming you. I certainly wasn't, but believe me - one of my major infallabilities is lack of restraint of tongue and pen. If I flame someone, you will know it. ;)



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