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Mar 20 2010 05:17am
First and foremost ur Christians didn't ask for 'proof' that God exists and we were shown proof and now we believe in God. We are basing our belief in God through FAITH! Faith means that somebody tells you something and you didn't see, hear, smell, touch, taste what happened yet you still believe them. Somebody tells you a story about what happened to them, even though you didn't witness it in any way you still believe them.

The same principal holds true to God as well. We are given a bible that our parents read to us and the Church reads out to us as well and explain the events. All of this we have never, ever seen but we still believe because we have FAITH. Instead of US coming up with proof of his existance just because for some reason you don't have faith? It doesn't work like that. Christian beliefs are all based on the same and most single dominant factor...FAITH!
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Mar 20 2010 06:47am
Quote (Feargod @ 20 Mar 2010 14:22)
If you write it like this I believe like 99% of the donor forum will even read it and understand what you explained them :p


Sometimes Explaining people in the simplest form and layman terms is the best way to get it through to them :P . Using too many big words and intricate explainations complicate things :thumbsup:
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Mar 20 2010 07:40am
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Mar 20 2010 10:47pm)
Sometimes Explaining people in the simplest form and layman terms is the best way to get it through to them :P . Using too many big words and intricate explainations complicate things :thumbsup:


That is my point when I get into an argument or conversation. I know for a fact that using big words and typing or saying things that take time to read/say makes your argument more influential. Don't worry I did Philosophy & Reasoning in High School. It is good to know that I'm taking something that I learned from School and applying it into everyday situations!

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Mar 20 2010 07:41am
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Everything else in life can be explained by pretty numbers, formulaes and chemical reactions.
You see I dont exactly believe in the "modern" physics such as m/string-theory because they're pretty far out, but still I have the doubt it MIGHT be true, because a lot of people, a lot smarter than me, researches this stuff for a living, and there is a lot of fomulaes etc. backing it up.


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You negated your own first sentence in your second sentence. Not everything in life can be explained by pretty numbers and formulas, or by chemical reactions. Explain to me how life first started (the very first form of life, whether it be a single cell or otherwise)? There are a number of competing theories on just that topic alone, with creationism (to varying degrees) being in numerous of them. Some in the scientific world even have a creationism theory, but it's not originating from God, but some other "life form" in the universe that planted life on this planet. Still, it's creationism at that level. In any case, this is only one small example of something we cannot explain, and there are a seemingly endless supply of others as well. That's why we have so many scientific studies and branches.

As others pointed out already, everyone has faith without solid facts in many things. Most people don't have a clue how the internet works, or electricity, the skeletal system in our bodies, how the eye converts light into images that our brains interpret, the vastness of our oceans and outer space, but we believe and have faith in what we've been taught about those things, even as it changes over time, as we learn more information. The world isn't flat, but people once believed it was. Back a hundred years ago, our understanding of the cell was that it was this amorphous blob of goo, but we know now that it has vast complex inner-workings, inconceivable when the cell was first discovered, and during the time when many theories were developed.

In any case, I digress. This is not a debate forum on the existence of God or the validity of Christianity. If you wish to have those types of debates, please use this subforum: http://forums.d2jsp.org/forum.php?f=119
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Had to comment..

You negated your own first sentence in your second sentence. Not everything in life can be explained by pretty numbers and formulas, or by chemical reactions. Explain to me how life first started (the very first form of life, whether it be a single cell or otherwise)? There are a number of competing theories on just that topic alone, with creationism (to varying degrees) being in numerous of them. Some in the scientific world even have a creationism theory, but it's not originating from God, but some other "life form" in the universe that planted life on this planet. Still, it's creationism at that level. In any case, this is only one small example of something we cannot explain, and there are a seemingly endless supply of others as well. That's why we have so many scientific studies and branches.

As others pointed out already, everyone has faith without solid facts in many things. Most people don't have a clue how the internet works, or electricity, the skeletal system in our bodies, how the eye converts light into images that our brains interpret, the vastness of our oceans and outer space, but we believe and have faith in what we've been taught about those things, even as it changes over time, as we learn more information. The world isn't flat, but people once believed it was. Back a hundred years ago, our understanding of the cell was that it was this amorphous blob of goo, but we know now that it has vast complex inner-workings, inconceivable when the cell was first discovered, and during the time when many theories were developed.

In any case, I digress. This is not a debate forum on the existence of God or the validity of Christianity. If you wish to have those types of debates, please use this subforum: http://forums.d2jsp.org/forum.php?f=119


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Quote (njaguar @ Mar 20 2010 01:41pm)
Had to comment..

You negated your own first sentence in your second sentence. Not everything in life can be explained by pretty numbers and formulas, or by chemical reactions. Explain to me how life first started (the very first form of life, whether it be a single cell or otherwise)? There are a number of competing theories on just that topic alone, with creationism (to varying degrees) being in numerous of them. Some in the scientific world even have a creationism theory, but it's not originating from God, but some other "life form" in the universe that planted life on this planet. Still, it's creationism at that level. In any case, this is only one small example of something we cannot explain, and there are a seemingly endless supply of others as well. That's why we have so many scientific studies and branches.

As others pointed out already, everyone has faith without solid facts in many things. Most people don't have a clue how the internet works, or electricity, the skeletal system in our bodies, how the eye converts light into images that our brains interpret, the vastness of our oceans and outer space, but we believe and have faith in what we've been taught about those things, even as it changes over time, as we learn more information. The world isn't flat, but people once believed it was. Back a hundred years ago, our understanding of the cell was that it was this amorphous blob of goo, but we know now that it has vast complex inner-workings, inconceivable when the cell was first discovered, and during the time when many theories were developed.

In any case, I digress. This is not a debate forum on the existence of God or the validity of Christianity. If you wish to have those types of debates, please use this subforum: http://forums.d2jsp.org/forum.php?f=119


Correct, believing in a god has nothing to do with facts, it is all about faith.
Obviously, my beliefs are different than the Christain beliefs.
However, I definitely do agree with there concept that a god does exist, and one day he will show us this.

But just to keep this on topic, I thought I would let you guys know that, God/Allah saved my life literally.
I had a really bad viral infection and he gave me the strength to keep fighting and get better.
I kind of fill bad that the only reason I became religious, was because I was sick and needed guidance.
Although, at the same time I sort of think that god made me get sick, for the simple fact that once I got better I would help spread his word, and start doing good in my life.

This post was edited by Bear_Grylls on Mar 21 2010 12:52pm
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Mar 22 2010 11:03pm
I was lost in the San Felipe desert, Mexico at the age of 9 or 10. I walked from 12pm in the desert nonstop till 2 - 3am I was so tired so I decided to rest and start walking again so I prayed to God to protect me in the bubble that he used on Daniel in the in lion's den and to protect me from bugs (I was really scared of bugs back then). I started to fall asleep when all of a sudden I heard someone calling my name...I though I was just hearing things because I was so tired, I tried to go back to sleep when I heard my name being called again. I got up and ran my fastest to the voice, I then saw lights and search lights trying to reach them but the lights were car lights and moving to fast for me so I could not reach them; I yelled back to them "Wait!" 2-3 cars stopped so I ran with all my strength to the stopped cars reached a dried up bushy wall...all I could see behind that was big bright lights and to me seemed like 1 thousand hands, I jumped into the hands and was pulled to the other side to reunite with my parents and family members. Later that day around 8am I woke up and went to my Mom and she told me to listen to the radio and translated to me what the spokes person was saying. "Young boy lost from 12pm to 3am in the desert was found! Walked 27 miles before being found with some coyote tracks following him." My Mom then told me that in a straight line I walked 27 miles but, I really walked abjout 32 miles because I made a lot of circles and back track walking. That is my story :)
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