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Jesus and the Prince of Demons

22 Then a demon-possessed man, who was blind and couldn’t speak, was brought to Jesus. He healed the man so that he could both speak and see. 23 The crowd was amazed and asked, “Could it be that Jesus is the Son of David, the Messiah?”

24 But when the Pharisees heard about the miracle, they said, “No wonder he can cast out demons. He gets his power from Satan,[a] the prince of demons.”

25 Jesus knew their thoughts and replied, “Any kingdom divided by civil war is doomed. A town or family splintered by feuding will fall apart. 26 And if Satan is casting out Satan, he is divided and fighting against himself. His own kingdom will not survive. 27 And if I am empowered by Satan, what about your own exorcists? They cast out demons, too, so they will condemn you for what you have said. 28 But if I am casting out demons by the Spirit of God, then the Kingdom of God has arrived among you. 29 For who is powerful enough to enter the house of a strong man like Satan and plunder his goods? Only someone even stronger—someone who could tie him up and then plunder his house.

30 “Anyone who isn’t with me opposes me, and anyone who isn’t working with me is actually working against me.

31 “So I tell you, every sin and blasphemy can be forgiven—except blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, which will never be forgiven. 32 Anyone who speaks against the Son of Man can be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven, either in this world or in the world to come.

33 “A tree is identified by its fruit. If a tree is good, its fruit will be good. If a tree is bad, its fruit will be bad. 34 You brood of snakes! How could evil men like you speak what is good and right? For whatever is in your heart determines what you say. 35 A good person produces good things from the treasury of a good heart, and an evil person produces evil things from the treasury of an evil heart. 36 And I tell you this, you must give an account on judgment day for every idle word you speak. 37 The words you say will either acquit you or condemn you.”

Raimen, were all working towards the same thing and trying to correct you towards the same goals that Christ has set in place. Were not against you, were with you, but until you change your ways and stop arguing about pointless things... you will be wrong in what you are doing. I'm trying to help you here, not hurt you.

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Jesus and the Prince of Demons

22 Then a demon-possessed man, who was blind and couldn’t speak, was brought to Jesus. He healed the man so that he could both speak and see. 23 The crowd was amazed and asked, “Could it be that Jesus is the Son of David, the Messiah?”

24 But when the Pharisees heard about the miracle, they said, “No wonder he can cast out demons. He gets his power from Satan,[a] the prince of demons.”

25 Jesus knew their thoughts and replied, “Any kingdom divided by civil war is doomed. A town or family splintered by feuding will fall apart. 26 And if Satan is casting out Satan, he is divided and fighting against himself. His own kingdom will not survive. 27 And if I am empowered by Satan, what about your own exorcists? They cast out demons, too, so they will condemn you for what you have said. 28 But if I am casting out demons by the Spirit of God, then the Kingdom of God has arrived among you. 29 For who is powerful enough to enter the house of a strong man like Satan and plunder his goods? Only someone even stronger—someone who could tie him up and then plunder his house.

30 “Anyone who isn’t with me opposes me, and anyone who isn’t working with me is actually working against me.

31 “So I tell you, every sin and blasphemy can be forgiven—except blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, which will never be forgiven. 32 Anyone who speaks against the Son of Man can be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven, either in this world or in the world to come.

33 “A tree is identified by its fruit. If a tree is good, its fruit will be good. If a tree is bad, its fruit will be bad. 34 You brood of snakes! How could evil men like you speak what is good and right? For whatever is in your heart determines what you say. 35 A good person produces good things from the treasury of a good heart, and an evil person produces evil things from the treasury of an evil heart. 36 And I tell you this, you must give an account on judgment day for every idle word you speak. 37 The words you say will either acquit you or condemn you.”

Raimen, were all working towards the same thing and trying to correct you towards the same goals that Christ has set in place. Were not against you, were with you, but until you change your ways and stop arguing about pointless things... you will be wrong in what you are doing. I'm trying to help you here, not hurt you.


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Feb 8 2014 08:49am
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Judas didn't repent, he felt bad for himself and then killed himself.

To repent means to change your mind, not feel bad.


Also, I don't read the NIV much, lately I've been reading the NASB.
I used to read the New King James, and I've read a good chunk of the old KJV.
It's all the same, except the KJV is written in a way that is hard to understand for those normal people who use modern English.

Also, was there no such thing as Christianity before the KJV was printed?  Because about 1600 years passed between the death and resurrection of Christ and the printing of the King James Version.
How do people who don't speak English learn the gospel? Do they have to learn English to become Christians?  English didn't even begin to become a language until the 11th century.

Here's some information about the King James Version that you will doubtless cast aside as heresy and blasphemy, since you care more about defending and promoting the King James Version than actually following the teachings of Christ.

The King James Version

The first English language version of the full Bible was John Wycliffe's translation of the Vulgate in 1384. Several other English versions followed, and the beloved King James Version (KJV) was published in 1611. The King James Version, itself, has been updated several times: in 1629, 1638, 1762, and 1769.

Is the KJV the Best Version?
Some people believe the KJV is the most accurate or only authentic version of the Bible. Some believe the Hebrew and Greek manuscripts the KJV translators worked from were faithfully preserved by God or are the most accurate for some other reason. Others say the translators of all later versions were biased or incompetent in one way or another. Still others say the KJV is a literal and accurate translation while later versions were rewritten to suit the biases of the publishers. However, the vast majority of Bible scholars and Christians reject all these objections as being based on faulty facts and reasoning, and they do not consider the KJV to be more accurate or more sacred than other translations.

Disadvantages
The team of 47 scholars who translated the KJV did an excellent job. However, the English language has changed a lot in the nearly 400 years since it was published. Many KJV words and phrases, such as Lord of hosts, sabaoth, emerods and concupiscence, would not be meaningful to most people today. Worse, many other KJV words, such as charity, trespass, profit, cousin, and remission, have different primary meanings today than they did in 1611 and could mislead the reader. As a result, many English-speaking people find the KJV is quite difficult to read and understand.

Modern Bible Versions
Recent developments in archaeology, scientific dating methods and Biblical scholarship have made possible a number of modern, more accurate English translations of the scriptures. These newer versions are translated from the oldest and best ancient Hebrew and Greek manuscripts, rather than from the King James version or the Latin Vulgate.

Advantages of Modern Translations
Although the newer translations are believed to be more accurate than the KJV, the differences are minor. No significant changes of belief or interpretation would result from the many minor corrections. The main advantage of the modern translations is that they are written in modern English so the reader will not be mystified or misled by the archaic English of the KJV. The mainstream modern Bible versions have been translated by teams of devout Bible scholars who have prayerfully done their very best to convey the true meaning of the ancient Hebrew and Greek manuscripts to the modern reader. These modern translations have been adopted by many churches, both Protestant and Catholic, for use in worship.

Omitted Verses
It is often pointed out that modern translations omit a few of the verses found in the KJV, and this is sometimes believed to be an attempt to distort the Bible's teachings. However, the reason is that certain verses are not found in the oldest and best Bible manuscripts. Thus, they are omitted to accurately preserve the original Bible text. (The chapter and verse numbers were added to the Bible in the Middle Ages; they were not part of the original Bible manuscripts. Thus, an omitted verse does not mean that something was omitted from the original texts.)
Some of these extra verses were added to certain manuscript copies as margin notes or as prayers for use in public worship. Those manuscripts were then copied and recopied without making it clear that the extra verses were later additions. The most famous example is the doxology, "For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, forever. Amen." that the KJV adds to the Lord's Prayer in Matthew 6:13. That phrase is not found in any of the oldest manuscripts of Matthew.


"Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders" - Matthew 27:3
^^ Judas repented himself of his sins, he didnt repent before God by faith in Christ Jesus. Now you do the same thing because you refuse to submit to Christ's righteousness with faith in His blood from the cross (Romans 10:4).

All your arguments are unscriptural. The King James is not a version, it is the Bible- being the word of God perfectly preserved, containing the original masoretic&receptus texts. The vulgate is Jerome's latin translation of ~400 A.D, it is a corrupt Vaticanus manuscript inspired from the Septuagint- as are all of today's translations.

You cant make your case with scripture so you have to run to the secular authority of men that deny that of the King James text- which means your position of liberalism is already defeated.

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Jesus and the Prince of Demons

22 Then a demon-possessed man, who was blind and couldn’t speak, was brought to Jesus. He healed the man so that he could both speak and see. 23 The crowd was amazed and asked, “Could it be that Jesus is the Son of David, the Messiah?”

24 But when the Pharisees heard about the miracle, they said, “No wonder he can cast out demons. He gets his power from Satan,[a] the prince of demons.”

25 Jesus knew their thoughts and replied, “Any kingdom divided by civil war is doomed. A town or family splintered by feuding will fall apart. 26 And if Satan is casting out Satan, he is divided and fighting against himself. His own kingdom will not survive. 27 And if I am empowered by Satan, what about your own exorcists? They cast out demons, too, so they will condemn you for what you have said. 28 But if I am casting out demons by the Spirit of God, then the Kingdom of God has arrived among you. 29 For who is powerful enough to enter the house of a strong man like Satan and plunder his goods? Only someone even stronger—someone who could tie him up and then plunder his house.

30 “Anyone who isn’t with me opposes me, and anyone who isn’t working with me is actually working against me.

31 “So I tell you, every sin and blasphemy can be forgiven—except blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, which will never be forgiven. 32 Anyone who speaks against the Son of Man can be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven, either in this world or in the world to come.

33 “A tree is identified by its fruit. If a tree is good, its fruit will be good. If a tree is bad, its fruit will be bad. 34 You brood of snakes! How could evil men like you speak what is good and right? For whatever is in your heart determines what you say. 35 A good person produces good things from the treasury of a good heart, and an evil person produces evil things from the treasury of an evil heart. 36 And I tell you this, you must give an account on judgment day for every idle word you speak. 37 The words you say will either acquit you or condemn you.”

Raimen, were all working towards the same thing and trying to correct you towards the same goals that Christ has set in place. Were not against you, were with you, but until you change your ways and stop arguing about pointless things... you will be wrong in what you are doing. I'm trying to help you here, not hurt you.


"Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine." - 2nd Timothy 4:2
^^You cant correct anybody with a corrupt text to begin with.. You call the King James a pointless thing so it is assured you will be wrong before you start arguing against it.

"Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind." - Matthew 22:37
^^For practical reason you forgot to mention this one, which is the first commandment- liberals hate it.

"For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy" - 2nd Timothy 3:2
[I]"Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,"[/I] - Romans 1:30
^^Sounds like this is where your advice ends to. Humanism isnt Biblical, either.

"He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God." - John 8:47
If you wanted to do something for the Lord, you would first have to hear His word then preach it also. And since you didnt, you will not "endure sound doctrine" so theres no way you can help anybody except to drag down people in your hell hole of "philosophy & vain deceit".
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"Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine." - 2nd Timothy 4:2
^^You cant correct anybody with a corrupt text to begin with.. You call the King James a pointless thing so it is assured you will be wrong before you start arguing against it.

"Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind." - Matthew 22:37
^^For practical reason you forgot to mention this one, which is the first commandment- liberals hate it.

"For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy" - 2nd Timothy 3:2
[I]"Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,"[/I] - Romans 1:30
^^Sounds like this is where your advice ends to. Humanism isnt Biblical, either.

"He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God." - John 8:47
If you wanted to do something for the Lord, you would first have to hear His word then preach it also. And since you didnt, you will not "endure sound doctrine" so theres no way you can help anybody except to drag down people in your hell hole of "philosophy & vain deceit".



Im trying to prove to you that the kjv bible isn't the only true bible by giving you the scripture I had posted above. If by what your saying that the kjv bible is the only true bible then all other bibles would be against God and they are not. They say the same message. You are acting like the Pharisees did when Jesus drove out the demon. Saying one is false and ungodly and the other is the only true bible. Why do you not read the scripture I post and dwell on it and find understandings in it? "Any kingdom divided by civil war is doomed." Jesus said that. All that have been trying to help you are not against God, we are for God and if we are for God then how can we be against God.


Scripture to help you further( This is from the KJV Bible )

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Mark 9:38-50

King James Version (KJV)

38 And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.

39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.

40 For he that is not against us is on our part.

41 For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward



If those bibles you say are ungodly then they wouldn't be for God or preach the message that Christ provides.

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Im trying to prove to you that the kjv bible isn't the only true bible by giving you the scripture I had posted above. If by what your saying that the kjv bible is the only true bible then all other bibles would be against God and they are not. They say the same message. You are acting like the Pharisees did when Jesus drove out the demon. Saying one is false and ungodly and the other is the only true bible. Why do you not read the scripture I post and dwell on it and find understandings in it? "Any kingdom divided by civil war is doomed." Jesus said that. All that have been trying to help you are not against God, we are for God and if we are for God then how can we be against God.

Scripture to help you further( This is from the KJV Bible )


If those bibles you say are ungodly then they wouldn't be for God or preach the message that Christ provides.


"The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever." - Psalm 12:6-7

"I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name." Psalm 138:2

"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." - Acts 4:12

"And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book" - Revelation 22:19

Then you believe from the NIV that Jesus Christ is not the virgin-born sinless Lamb & Son of God, that the Godhead is a myth, that Lucifer or Satan is the morning star & that God is a loser that cant keep His promise to preserve His word.

"Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever." - Psalm 119:160

"God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged." - Romans 3:4

"I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:" - Isaiah 45:5

"Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest." - Psalm 51:4

"He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son." - 1st John 5:10

"If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us." - 1st John 1:10

One TRUE God = One TRUE Bible. There's none else. Theres no TRUE word of God beside the King James'. The NIV is the word of men, not God's. The word of God is PURE & UNDEFILED, which is NOT the case with any perversion. Youve

"Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth." - John 17:17

Either there is One God, One Bible, One Savior or youre a polytheist conceited fool and you believe the fake bibles' lie that Jesus Christ is Satan (Isaiah 14:12 & Revelation 22:16- the NIV calls the morning or day star Lucifer, since the Devil fell from heaven- NOT Jesus Christ).
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"The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever." - Psalm 12:6-7

"I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: forthou hast magnified thy word above all thy name."  Psalm 138:2

"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." - Acts 4:12

"And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book"- Revelation 22:19

Then you believe from the NIV that Jesus Christ is not the virgin-born sinless Lamb & Son of God, that the Godhead is a myth, that Lucifer or Satan is the morning star & that God is a loser that cant keep His promise to preserve His word.

"Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever." - Psalm 119:160

"God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged." - Romans 3:4

"I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:" - Isaiah 45:5

"Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest." - Psalm 51:4

"He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son."- 1st John 5:10

"If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us." - 1st John 1:10

One TRUE God = One TRUE Bible. There's none else. Theres no TRUE word of God beside the King James'. The NIV is the word of men, not God's. The word of God is PURE & UNDEFILED,  which is NOT the case with any perversion. Youve

"Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."- John 17:17

Either there is One God, One Bible, One Savior or youre a polytheist conceited fool and you believe the fake bibles' lie that Jesus Christ is Satan (Isaiah 14:12 & Revelation 22:16- the NIV calls the morning or day star Lucifer, since the Devil fell from heaven- NOT Jesus Christ).


The KJV bible wasn't the first bible or scripture. It was taken from Greek and Hebrew versions.

Seriously think your just trolling everyone here.


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12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations

NIV Version
12How you have fallen from heaven,morning star, son of the dawn!
You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!



Like Njaguar said in another thread trying to plead with you, you are grasping at straws.



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The KJV bible wasn't the first bible or scripture. It was taken from Greek and Hebrew versions.

Seriously think your just trolling everyone here.


"God is not a man, that He should lie, Nor a son of man, that He should repent; Has He said, and will He not do it? Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good?" - Numbers 23:19

"In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;" - Titus 1:2

The King James is the first FULL English Bible annotated with cross-references or verse numbers & massively distributed to the public. All scripture of the same manuscript line before that were not totally finished (translated from cover-to-cover) to be complete as were the original texts. The NIV makes OMISSIONS, the originals NEVER did.
You surely dont get it, you fool. God doesnt troll anybody. Since God cant lie its IMPOSSIBLE for Him to have written the corrupt NIV which calls Jesus a sinner or Lucifer- thus the perverted Vatican line of today's bibles is faked forgery made by men, and you surely do the same if you believe that lie.

All you do is skip over scripture and you wont give a sh!t about them so that you can play the social club game you call church & your fake jacka$$ religion.
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The KJV bible wasn't the first bible or scripture. It was taken from Greek and Hebrew versions.

Seriously think your just trolling everyone here.



Like Njaguar said in another thread trying to plead with you, you are grasping at straws.


You jacka$$, you missed the whole point from Revelation 22:16.. The NIV mixes these two verses so you can replace the morning star (Jesus Christ) with Lucifer (Satan, the DEVIL).

[U]"I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."[/U]
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You jacka$$, you missed the whole point from Revelation 22:16.. The NIV mixes these two verses so you can replace the morning star (Jesus Christ) with Lucifer (Satan, the DEVIL).

[U]"I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."[/U]


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