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Mar 18 2012 09:43pm
Quote (njaguar @ Mar 19 2012 05:05am)
All the churches I know of give these classes for free (among many others). That's not to say some don't charge, but it's generally a bad idea to make assumptions like this and label the entire church with one giant rubber stamp.


Not talking about Churches u know :) i can belive u that u know churches that do it for free :) but in world wide its not so popular to do something for free. Europe = Cash or nothing.
I dont agree with church from a long time its my personal opinion, i didnt made giant rubber stamp couze i know few normal priests. Its wrong to show how rich is church just look at vatican and read bible about this :/

Anyway thnx for ur time here.

Like i said i Belive in God i Belive in Bible.

I dont trust in Church or Vatican.
If they stop making church in a castle style with lots of gold etc ill think about going there :) Its wrong with bible to make business from religon. Better pray in home then go and make someone richer couze of ur faith.


porn = wrong

atleast in this matter we agree

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Mar 18 2012 10:49pm
Quote (PinkGirlNati @ Mar 18 2012 10:43pm)
Not talking about Churches u know :) i can belive u that u know churches that do it for free :) but in world wide its not so popular to do something for free. Europe = Cash or nothing.
I dont agree with church from a long time its my personal opinion, i didnt made giant rubber stamp couze i know few normal priests. Its wrong to show how rich is church just look at vatican and read bible about this :/

Anyway thnx for ur time here.

Like i said i Belive in God i Belive in Bible.

I dont trust in Church or Vatican.
If they stop making church in a castle style with lots of gold etc ill think about going there :) Its wrong with bible to make business from religon. Better pray in home then go and make someone richer couze of ur faith.


porn = wrong

atleast in this matter we agree


Agreed.

It is 100% wrong to make profit off of gods word. It was never intended for that.
The only profits anyone should make off it are spiritual.
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Quote (Dragon_MMA @ Mar 19 2012 12:49am)
Agreed.

It is 100% wrong to make profit off of gods word. It was never intended for that.
The only profits anyone should make off it are spiritual.


Profit of what kind? Are you saying ministers should not be paid? Are you saying churches should not build new buildings or enhance a structure they are already in? Profit is a vague word. Every tithe or offering a church receives is a "profit" that the church takes and uses for essential ministries in order to attract more people (or help strengthen the ones who are already there). Paying ministers, buying teaching materials, upkeeping the building (both inside and out), office supplies, utility bills, etc.. are all part of "profit". Nobody simply pockets what is "left-over" when all the bills are paid.
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Profit of what kind?  Are you saying ministers should not be paid?  Are you saying churches should not build new buildings or enhance a structure they are already in?  Profit is a vague word.  Every tithe or offering a church receives is a "profit" that the church takes and uses for essential ministries in order to attract more people (or help strengthen the ones who are already there).  Paying ministers, buying teaching materials, upkeeping the building (both inside and out), office supplies, utility bills, etc.. are all part of "profit".  Nobody simply pockets what is "left-over" when all the bills are paid.



But one question what bible says about this? Does Vatican doing it in the right way? Spending soo much money for glorious churches? Its a place for site seeing or pray? Does a Priest need a car for 60k $ from church money? Do they need bells for 50k $?

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But one question what bible says about this? Does Vatican doing it in the right way? Spending soo much money for glorious churches? Its a place for site seeing or pray? Does a Priest need a car for 60k $ from church money? Do they need bells for 50k $?


What a church does with the money that is given is irrelevant nor is it a question you should ask. The ultimate question is this: Is the church using the money to glorify God and is the church reaching the lost? The Catholic church (more than any other) has done both. I may not believe in some of the Catholic doctrine, but they have done a GREAT job at growing the church as a whole.

Also, the temple was one of the most "glorious" places in Jewish culture. They saw the importance of making God's house different than any other place. Now our culture isn't like that as much anymore, but it still does happen. We all know God will be where 2 or more are gathered. The "appearance" means nothing in the end. A church can grow and mature in a high school, library, movie theater, etc.. But that doesn't mean we are to condemn the churches who want a building that is appealing aesthetically. Unfortunately PEOPLE are drawn to beauty. The Catholic churches recognize that and build accordingly. A lot of it is tradition as well.

Also, what a "priest" drives isn't your business or anyone elses. If he bought that car with his own money (that was salaried to him from the church), that is his business. If the church bought it for him, it is still his business. Maybe the priest travels a lot and needs a dependable car? You never know the reasons. But to make a judgement call off of something that is not your business and without knowing the reasoning behind it, is wrong.

For some reason people like to give to the church and tell the church how they are supposed to spend their money. That's not how it works. If you decide to give to the church you are trusting that the church is going to make the best decisions with the money that 1. Glorify God and 2. Reach the lost. If you are going to give to a church and tell them how they should or shouldn't spend their money, you need to recognize that it's not about you. The staff/ministers of that church have been put their to lead and mature the flock. You are not in a position to tell them otherwise. Are churches corrupt? Absolutely. If you feel the church is spending money on things they should not, approach the treasurer or minister and ask them about it. Most churches are very transparent on what they spend and their budget. I'm sure they will gladly answer any question you have.

This doesn't mean churches are infallible. As I said, their are corrupt people within churches. I have seen a number of people steal money from churches and split churches because of the finances. If you suspect this is happening, approach the leader(s) of the church about it and ask.
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