According to John MacArthur regarding Hebrews 6:6 -

"There is no possibility of these verses referring to losing salvation. Many Scripture passages make unmistakably clear that salvation is eternal (cf. Jn 10:27-29; Ro 8:35,38,39; Php 1:6; 1Pe 1:4,5). Those who want to make this verse mean that believers can lose salvation will have to admit that it would then also says that one could never get it back again."

It has much more proceeding content before this line that talks about the proceeding verses. A quick summary is that in order for this scenario to be true of a person, they must already have full knowledge and not be able to learn anything further, and if they then turn away, they are siding with the enemy, and nothing can bring them back, because they have nothing further to learn or experience and have already made their choice. So, if you turn away and come back, it is because you have experienced or learned something new, which makes these verses not applicable to you.

I do stand corrected regarding maturity not having any bearing on this, as it obviously does, but I think the key distinction is that one who turns away in this fashion literally cannot come back, as there is nothing further for them to experience or learn that is new to "change their mind", so it's not a matter of one trying, but a matter of them not possibly being able to. (Hence the impossible part).

First off, I didn't mean to point you out specifically about not wanting to research or anything, cause I don't know how you go about it. I was just stating in general (I am just as guilty).

We should let Holy Spirit guide us to what scripture means as well. (this also means instead of taking my word you should pray on it yourself).

It does say you could never get it back again, there is 1 unforgivable sin (do you agree on that?) (impossible= unforgivable). The proceeding verses are just showing how mature the Christian must be (blasphemy is not a task that is easily said or done, like I said the Christian is very mature!

But to me the Bible states 1 unforgivable sin, impossible=unpardonable (unforgivable). I actually talked this over with a pastor in Ghana I met and he said he never knew Christians thought that the unforgivable sin was something a non-Christian can commit. Every google search proves otherwise it seems but I feel if we pray and ask the Holy Spirit he would explain anything we are in question to.

I'm not trying to convert your belief, as it has no bearing on me or you going to heaven (I don't know if I'll ever reach that maturity although it would be awesome and I hope I do!)

This post was edited by Silenced_Matrix on Mar 17 2012 10:39am

Do not conflate impossible with unforgivable. Impossible in this context refers to the impossibility of a mature Christian who turned away from returning, because there is nothing more for them to return to, they have experienced everything that might sway them, and learned all there is to know, yet they still decided to side with the enemy. That is what impossible in those verses means.

Most likely the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is tied to this, that only a complete mature Christian could commit this sin. But that's another debatable subject as well.

Most biblical scholars i've heard conclude that blasphemy of the holy spirit is an ongoing process by the unbeliever who will never be saved.

The Bible promises us that no matter what we do (as long as it isn't blasphemy) that we can be forgiven. Therefore, if it is impossible for one to come back, is has to be the unforgivable sin, if not they could come back to Christ.

This post was edited by Silenced_Matrix on Mar 17 2012 12:28pm

You shouldn't have to come back to Christ imo. Once you're saved, you're saved.

There should be something that happens at the moment of salvation.

Pray and ask the holy spirit to guide you, go read my "article" on the previous page.

It never says that getting saved is a one time deal, as it also doesn't say that once you saved you forever are, but from what Jesus says it seems that you are.

So you think Hebrews 6:4 is a lie, and accidentally placed in scripture bro? Makes it quite clear to me. Nonetheless, let's just agree to disagree. Once saved always saved doctrine vs the opposite isn't something worth debating over cause its going no where. God Bless all!

very nice, god bless you my son