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Mar 11 2012 06:34am
Thank God i live where I am that i can work and buy things i like and support the product. Hell in some places in this world you can work for.days and get paid so bad that u have to pirate, and Jesus died on the cross so if it's a sin at least its forgiven@ the end if you believe
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Mar 11 2012 08:31am
Quote (cacasca @ 11 Mar 2012 06:34)
Thank God i live where I am that i can work and buy things i like and support the product. Hell in some places in this world  you can work for.days and get paid so bad that u have to pirate, and Jesus died on the cross so if it's a sin at least its forgiven@ the end if you believe


In those places of poverty, they generally don't have any technology to use pirated content. I always found this argument to be fascinating, since it is blatantly untrue. People living in severely impoverish conditions don't have time to pirate music, movies, or video games. No, piracy is a phenomenon that you see in the more well off people, who use the "can't afford it" thing as an excuse, while the people that really can't afford it also don't have a use for it.
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Mar 11 2012 11:57am
Let's see. First, is it stealing? For piracy to be stealing, you have to be taking something that belongs to another. Who owns music?

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I know every bird in the mountains,
  and the insects in the fields are mine.
If I were hungry I would not tell you,
  for the world is mine, and all that is in it.

- Psalm 50:11-12

Ok, so God owns everything. That means if we're stealing, we're stealing from Him. Maybe he is okay with sharing?

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One man gives freely, yet gains even more; another withholds unduly, but comes to poverty.

– Prov. 11:24

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It is more blessed to give than to receive.

-- Acts 20:35

Looks like God is cool with file sharing. But what about the fact that we're denying money from the copyright owners? Does God say anything about that?

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If we have food and clothing, we will be content with that. 9 Those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction. 10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.

- 1 Timothy 6:8-11

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And do not forget to do good and to share with others, for with such sacrifices God is pleased.

- Hebrews 13:16



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Mar 11 2012 01:16pm
Quote (Jp2050 @ 11 Mar 2012 12:57)
Let's see. First, is it stealing? For piracy to be stealing, you have to be taking something that belongs to another. Who owns music?


- Psalm 50:11-12

Ok, so God owns everything. That means if we're stealing, we're stealing from Him. Maybe he is okay with sharing?


– Prov. 11:24


-- Acts 20:35

Looks like God is cool with file sharing. But what about the fact that we're denying money from the copyright owners? Does God say anything about that?


- 1 Timothy 6:8-11


- Hebrews 13:16


All well and good, except that these all refer to the owner willfully giving (sharing). You also collude God's property with what man created, but then use verses about man sharing.

While the latter two verses are accurate, they are not justification to do wrong to your neighbor. Likewise, your neighbor may be an evil rich son of a.. but you still are not exempt from the laws pertaining to loving thy neighbor, which means stealing from him would still be wrong. This concept of Robin Hood is not at all compatible with Christianity or what it teaches.

Sorry, but you're most definitely wrong in this case.
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Mar 11 2012 02:34pm
Going into scripture with a preconceived idea on something is a BAD BAD idea. You will do anything and everything to take a piece of the puzzle (scripture) to put into your puzzle that might be close to fitting but you have to FORCE it in because it is off a little.

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"1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves." - Romans 13:1-2 (NIV)

I know in the USA it is illegal, not sure of other countries, but if your government calls it illegal it is therefore a sin. (Although if your government creates a law all man should take the mark of the beast (666) than obviously it doesn't align with the Word of God so it would not be a sin if you didn't.)


It is illegal and doesn't align with the word of God that pirating music is ok therefore a sin. (Once again before I rededicated my life to Christ I was huge into piracy, as well even a day or two after I pirated a bunch of Christian music thinking it was ok, the conviction was there and I realized even if it's Christian music it is a sin!) It would be GREAT if it wasn't a sin, but unfortunately it is (although yes you are forgiven if you do it and ask for forgiveness) and we are supposed to turn away from our sins, not indulge in them whenever we want and keep asking for forgiveness. This is how you grow spiritually.
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Mar 11 2012 06:28pm
If something is intended to be for sale, and you obtain it for free without permission from the owner, you are stealing. It doesn't matter if it's intellectual property, it's property nonetheless.
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Mar 11 2012 09:27pm
Right is right and wrong is wrong. Call me crazy but I paid a fee to one of the sights that allows you to download music. I didn't want the feds knocking on my door.
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Mar 12 2012 04:47am
You religious people think that "God created man in his own image", thus he copied.

Being able to copy is the core of the religion.
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Mar 12 2012 07:27am
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You religious people think that "God created man in his own image", thus he copied.

Being able to copy is the core of the religion.


Your argument/analogy is awful, and makes no sense.

A person is free to give away that which they create or own, that is called sharing.
A person is not free to take whatever he wants from someone else without their permission, that is called stealing (whether that thing is for sale or otherwise).

Ownership is the key here, when you purchase music, a movie, etc, you are not purchasing unlimited rights to it, you do not own it, you are purchasing a license to use it. The license (law) for that purchase stipulates that you may not copy or share it with others.
*Create refers to the original content, not creating a copy of the original. This is called counterfeiting, also illegal.
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Mar 12 2012 11:05am
Quote (BigBadDemon @ Mar 12 2012 10:47am)
You religious people think that "God created man in his own image", thus he copied.

Being able to copy is the core of the religion.


there is more then one "god" Let us make man in our image. I download all the time, but if i like something then i will pay for it
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