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Feb 28 2012 05:59pm
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I hear ya and you make perfect sense but what does chosen people mean


Was a reference in the bible, but that was in the old testament I believe, Chosen people is nothing in todays culture,everyone is equal.
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Feb 28 2012 07:26pm
As Christians do we just use the old test as a reference and focus on the new test. Like in Leviticus it says we should sacrifice animals to god
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As Christians do we just use the old test as a reference and focus on the new test. Like in Leviticus it says we should sacrifice animals to god


Nah, focus on the NEW!

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Prior to Jesus, man had to give sacrifice to attone for sins. Jesus came to fulfill the OT prophecies and as the sacrifice for our sins, provided we believe and follow on the path towards God.

"Now go and sin no more."
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Prior to Jesus, man had to give sacrifice to attone for sins. Jesus came to fulfill the OT prophecies and as the sacrifice for our sins, provided we believe and follow on the path towards God.

"Now go and sin no more."


well said sir :)
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Prior to Jesus, man had to give sacrifice to attone for sins. Jesus came to fulfill the OT prophecies and as the sacrifice for our sins, provided we believe and follow on the path towards God.

"Now go and sin no more."


Where does it say that in The Bible? Just wondering.
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Where does it say that in The Bible? Just wondering.


When Jesus is talking to the prostitute who was about to be stoned to death.

When he says to the crowd: "He who is without sin, cast the first stone" they all walked away because they knew they were sinners.

Then Jesus said to the woman:

"I don't condemn you either, but now go your way and sin no more."
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Feb 29 2012 03:48am
Man is not deserving of smack-down from God, when he is on his first life path un-knowing of God and what he the human is doing.

Instead man deserves a harsh example and word from God, to jolt realization. God wants man to follow the chosen path which also causes human to be happy.

And if one is on this chosen path designated by God then one should strive to Sin no more, because sinning at that point and beyond is like casting a stone at God.

God's temple is our bodies. and God feels our pain. God is with us in the crowd even when we are riled to throw a stone. He stands and says son, why are you throwing this

powder. You and this stone are made of the same origin and so is this woman on the ground. You are about to, in a public place, kill someone, over your opinion. Is your

traditions correct or do you not see your maker. Where is your intelligence/humbleness, where is your Bravery/compassion, where is your Logic/Forgiveness.

Cry with me son. When you sin, come to me and we will cry together
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When Jesus is talking to the prostitute who was about to be stoned to death.

When he says to the crowd: "He who is without sin, cast the first stone" they all walked away because they knew they were sinners.

Then Jesus said to the woman:

"I don't condemn you either, but now go your way and sin no more."


Oh sorry I wasn't very clear.

I was referring to...

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Oh sorry I wasn't very clear.

I was referring to...


The old testament has many examples of this. Job, for instance has many instances where he proclaims his innocence because he has atoned for his sins (and the sins of his family) through repeated sacrifice, and other proper methods that were prescribed.

Job 1:5 (NASB) When the days of feasting had completed their cycle, Job would send and consecrate them, rising up early in the morning and offering burnt offerings according to the number of them all; for Job said, “Perhaps my sons have sinned and cursed God in their hearts.” Thus Job did continually.

Recall that in Job 1:1 that Job is described as follows: "There was a man in the land of Uz whose name was Job; and that man was blameless, upright, fearing God and turning away from evil." That is to say, he was not without sin, but that he always took the proper courses of action to atone for that sin.

Granted this occurred after Job, it is still a mandate on the matter:
Exodus 20:24 - You shall make an altar of earth for Me, and you shall sacrifice on it your burnt offerings and your peace offerings, your sheep and your oxen; in every place where I cause My name to be remembered, I will come to you and bless you.


I suppose that sacrifice may be the word that is confusing, as it is used in multiple ways. Offering and sacrifice are often intermingled. There were different types of offerings that were supposed to be done, not all were related to sin or sinning.

Also recall that even among those that attended the yearly passover, having supposed to have brought their own sheep/oxen (sacrifice of their flock), they instead would bring money to the temple, and purchase them from merchants that would set up shop to make a profit off of those that would attend and offer sacrifice. This is partly what Jesus was protesting in his visits to the temple and "upturning the tables". Man became spiritually empty, only following the letter of the law. This tended to be worse than someone who merely sinned, as you see through various examples in the NT.
A good illustration of this is Luke 18:9
9 And He also told this parable to some people who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and viewed others with contempt: 10 “Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood and was praying this to himself: ‘God, I thank You that I am not like other people: swindlers, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week; I pay tithes of all that I get.’ 13 But the tax collector, standing some distance away, was even unwilling to lift up his eyes to heaven, but was beating his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, the sinner!’ 14 I tell you, this man went to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted.”

The OT laws were put in place to assign obedience to God. However, as you know, this simply did not (and does not) occur, due to man's fallen (and dare I say ignorant/arrogant) state. Even in Exodus when God was leading them through the desert, in their presence day and night, they still fell away from Him and the laws prescribed. This illustrates that even if God was actively visible to all (as some proclaim, if only God would just make himself visible, I would believe!), this really is not enough, and man will continue to be self-serving.

The OT was an outline for obedience, and to show that man is not obedient. It shows that history repeats itself, and that sins continues on and mistakes are constantly repeated, as one vain generation rises thinking themselves better and enlightened than the previous merely repeats the mistakes of those from two or three generations ago. More than anything, the OT shows that God is loving and forgiving, to forgive generation after generation for repeatedly ignoring practically everything they were instructed to do. He then proceeds with the greatest sacrifice, that of his Son. Jesus died so that we may live, in spite of God knowing that we are all flawed and that we will all sin.
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