Thanks for that scripture, it helps me take a step back and start fresh. I'll remember that.

Blessings my beloved brother in Christ!

Just don't assume it's your brother who is "weak" in faith. If your heart is in the right place, why not be baptized?

By water baptism is the only way God says you can get into Christ. Can you go to heaven outside of Christ?

You dont need to be literally "baptized" to go to heaven.

Good explanation is right here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCzWbYmt2ks

This post was edited by HighschoolTurd on Aug 17 2011 11:09pm

If you choose to believe him then that is your choice. At the :38 sec mark he said the bible teaches you are saved first then baptized. Can anyone show me where in the bible this is taught? Please give me a bible example.

Around 3:45 he talks about Mark 16:16. He mentions "he that believeth not shall be damned". Ok,....does that make the first part false when the bible says "he that believeth AND is baptized shall be saved? Also, why would anyone want to be baptized if they don't believe in the first place. To me, that is not a good arguement at all.

He never explains Act 2:38 or the many other verses where baptism is mentioned.

At 4:32 he talks about baptism being a work. Then what does James 2:14-26 mean? Baptism is a works of obedience.


James 2:14-26

New King James Version (NKJV)

14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

So you gonna believe the guy in the video or what God says? Your choice, you will have to answer to God. See you this evening for more discussion, Im going to work.

Works are a product of faith and salvation. Just sayin.

So basically you come to Christ, and he makes it so you don't want to sin. He changes our wants.

I never said I believe the video over god, that is not true at all mate,

Ofcourse I am not going to believe man over god ever, but this video was just a way to show you some points about being baptized/etc. I watch his videos then I xfer his thoughts to mine vs god and I even out what I believe what I read through the bible/etc...
Look at 2:06, Yea I agree it's a act of obedience but it's not a act for salvation.

Look at 4:16 to 4:30

Being baptized is a work, and works do not get us into heaven, so therefore I believe it's not necessary. It's about belief is what us gets us into the kingdom of heaven, and works do not.

Also, baptizm is a spiritually rebirth.. It doesn't mean u need to have to be physically baptized with water/etc to go to heaven. Also, I feel spiritually re birthed everytime I pray at night/etc so.. Yeah You dont need to be physically baptized I think and I am sticking with my beliefs.

This post was edited by HighschoolTurd on Aug 18 2011 02:53pm

Well, all I am saying is what the Bible says and there is no point in me repeating the same verse that you can read above. To me it is pretty plain and simple. Believe what you wish, I will pray you have a change of heart.

BTW, I didn't mean to sound like I was shouting in my replies, I just wanted make sure everyone would read it.

You do realize that James 2 is talking about being Justified before men right?



Acts 13:39 and by him everyone who believes is justified from all things, from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses

Romans 3:20 Because by the works of the law, no flesh will be justified in his sight.

Romans 3:24 being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus

Romans 3:28 We maintain therefore that a man is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.

Romans 4:2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not toward God.

Romans 5:1 Being therefore justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ

Romans 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we will be saved from God's wrath through him.

Galatians 2:16 yet knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, even we believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the law, because no flesh will be justified by the works of the law.

Galatians 3:11 Now that no man is justified by the law before God is evident, for, "The righteous will live by faith."

Galatians 3:24 So that the law has become our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith

Galatians 5:4 You are alienated from Christ, you who desire to be justified by the law. You have fallen away from grace

Titus 3:7 that, being justified by his grace, we might be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.