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People always want salvation when their life is in the shitter. All their life they sin and don't care about God, then when they need help its "oh please help me." Lol idiots


You're right about this. And the apostles were right when "They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.”" God knew this when he formed man and it's why Jesus' sacrifice is not only for "good Christians", but for all men. "This is good and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants everyone to be saved and to understand the truth."

My father is a pastor so I grew up attending church. I got baptized at the age of 11 or 12, but more because I thought it was expected of me rather than something I felt compelled to do. Now I'm pursuing ways to create more support and awareness for young Christians because I know firsthand how easy it is to start doubting when you're ill-informed and Satan tries to smash your faith.
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I wasn't raised in a Christian family or any religion. I started going to church when I was around 7-8 years old for the Sunday school classes and such, but of course I didn't pay attention and goofed off during the readings and such, all children usually do. I stopped going for many years and recently early last year just started going back. A little brief on our church: It's a very small country-church (I live in the country). It's a lot of elderly people that have known me all my life so they're extremely welcoming that I do come now - I've met some of the nicest people there. With that being said about my church and how I just recently started going back last year, a preacher of ours recently left and we got a new one since the payment isn't all that great, but our current preacher accepts it (I think it's around $200 weekly or bi-weekly from hearing it at the business meeting). I've been e-mailing him for the past couple months now with some questions I've had in general for a very long time as a lot of people do; such as why do we worship the cross, does Jesus forgive the sin of killing etc. Me in general, I'm interested in medieval era times and roman times so the study of Jesus Christ is right up my alley of things that I actually enjoy. Over time of being with our new preacher and talking with him privately through e-mails and had a meeting with him last Thursday about why people get baptized (our church is a baptist church) and some other stuff in general, I came to the realization before-hand of this meeting that I did accept Jesus Christ was real, he is the one and only true God, he did rise again. The few things he was explaining to me about baptism was one being; He took off his wedding ring and told me when his wife and him got married it's a 'symbol' of marriage, however.. if he was to go swimming tomorrow and lose his ring as a lot of people do, does that mean he's not married anymore? No, he's still married, so the "baptism" is only a symbol, it doesn't "save you" if you haven't received Jesus Christ in your life. A few other details he mentioned that I can't exactly think of and I don't want to put words in his mouth ;-).

I accepted Jesus Christ just last week or so and we're planning to continue with my baptism this upcoming Sunday; ultimately, I didn't grow up being taught the word from my parents, but how I chose to become one is I'm studying the bible/have been studying it, came to realization that I was lost without Jesus Christ.

I've already drastically changed my life in things I believe and things I do - I use to carry around a handgun legally in my state (I'm licensed to carry it in my state), but now I've given that up since I don't think I'd be able to use it anymore; this of course being a personal preference, I've also given up my US Army Captain insignia's and a few other things, I just can't do that stuff anymore with Christ in my life, I feel more loving rather then hateful as I previously was. <-- I understand this last part doesn't have to do with how I became a Christian, but I enjoy sharing.
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ius,

When I read your comment a few hours ago it made me really sad. Baptism is part of God's plan for salvation just like the shedding of Jesus' blood.

We are not saved by one thing to the exclusion of all others, for there are many things required for our salvation. Rather than focus on just one passage that speaks of our being saved, we must learn the truth of what Jesus said: "Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every Word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God" (Matthew 4:4). Anything which God declares is necessary to salvation in certain passages of Scripture must be implied in all other passages which speak of salvation.

I have said this many times here, we are governed by "every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." We can't "pick and choose" which commandments of God to obey. Arraying one Scripture against another is rebelling against God, for He gave all the Scriptures. As the apostle Paul wrote, "When ye received from us the word of the message, even the Word of God, ye accepted it not as the word of men, but, as it is in truth, the Word of God, which also worketh in you that believe" (I Thessalonians 2:13). In other words, if you read it in the Scriptures, it is God's truth. And we dare not try to make one of God's truths contradict another of His truths because there are no contradictions.

So, what does the Bible teach about it? What saves us? Well, actually, there are several things. But let us be careful, when we find one of them, to not deny any of the other things which God names. There are probably thirty or more things that the Bible says saves us from sin. But let us look at just seven of them for times sake.

We Are Saved By God
"This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior; who would have all men to be saved, and come to the knowledge of the truth" (I Timothy 2:3,4). Yes, God is our Savior. But by what does He save us? Specifically mentioned in this text is "knowledge of the truth." So, we are also involved in the process. God expects us to learn His Word, and mold our lives by it. Thus, God saves us by instructing us in His Will, and showing how we are to respond.

Paul wrote, "God, being rich in mercy, for His great love wherewith He loved us, even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace have ye been saved)" (Ephesians 2:4,5). So God saves us by His love and His grace. This is shown in the sending of His Son to die for us: "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on Him should not perish, but have eternal life" (John 3:16). "But we behold Him who hath been made a little lower than the angels, even Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that by the grace of God He should taste of death for every man" (Hebrews 2:9).

We Are Saved By Jesus Christ
The angel announced to Joseph before the birth of Jesus, "Thou shalt call His name Jesus; for it is He that shall save His people from their sins" (Matthew 1:21). And again, we read in God's inspired Scriptures: "Though He was a Son, yet learned obedience by the things which He suffered; and having been made perfect, He became unto all them that obey Him the Author of eternal salvation" (Hebrews 5:8,9). But through what means does Christ save us?

He Saves Us By His Blood
"Ye were redeemed not with corruptible things, with silver or gold, from your vain manner of life handed down from your fathers; but with precious blood, as of a lamb without spot, even the blood of Christ" (I Peter 1:18,19). And again: "But God commendeth His own love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by His blood, shall we be saved from the wrath of God through Him" (Romans 5:8,9). We are also saved by the death of Jesus and His resurrection (Romans 5:10; 4:25). The apostles told the Jewish council, "He is the stone which was set at nought of you the builders, which was made the Head of the corner. And in none other is there salvation: for neither is there any other name under heaven, that is given among men, wherein we must be saved" (Acts 4:11,12).

We Are Saved By The Holy Spirit
The Scripture says, "Ye were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and in the Spirit of our God" (I Corinthians 6:11). Christ saves us with the gospel (Romans 1:16), and He shows exactly how that gospel was delivered to us. He said to the apostles, "But the Comforter, even the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He shall teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said unto you" (John 14:26) "Howbeit when He, the Spirit of truth, is come, He shall guide you into all the truth" (John 16:13).

Jesus explained just how complete the guidance of the apostles really was: "He that heareth you heareth Me; and he that rejecteth you rejecteth Me; and he that rejecteth Me rejecteth Him that sent Me" (Luke 10:16) "For the Holy Spirit shall teach you in that very hour what ye ought to say" (Luke 12:12). Read again, as God explains how the Spirit guided the apostles: "Who among men knoweth the things of a man, safe the spirit of the man, which is in him? even so the things of God none knoweth, save the Spirit of God. But we received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is from God; that we might know the things that were freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Spirit teacheth; combining spiritual things with spiritual words" (I Corinthians 2:11-13). Thus, the Holy Spirit saves us by the words which the apostles delivered.

We Are Saved By Grace
"By grace have ye been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not of works, that no man should glory" (Ephesians 2:8,9). No one can "earn" salvation, no matter what he does nor how much he does. Like Jesus said, "Even so ye also, when ye shall have done all the things that are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants; we have done that which it was our duty to do" (Luke 17:10).

Notice that carefully. "All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23). And even if we were to do everything we are supposed to do, God does not "owe" you anything! If we are saved, it must be by the grace of God.

We Are Saved By Faith
We are "saved by grace through faith." The grace is God's part. Faith is our part. God says, "And without faith it is impossible to be well-pleasing unto Him; for he that cometh to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them that seek after Him" (Hebrews 11:6). Jesus said it this way: "Except ye believe that I am He, ye shall die in your sins" (John 8:24). In John 3:16, we read: "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on Him should not perish, but have eternal life." And Jesus promised, "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that disbelieveth shall be condemned" (Mark 16:16).

The apostle Paul echoed this theme through all the book of Romans, as he wrote of our being justified by faith (Romans 5:1,2,8-10). But faith that saves is not "faith only." It is "Faith which works by love" (Galatians 5:6). In fact, the Lord's Word informs us, "What doth it profit, my brethren, if a man say he hath faith, but have not works? can that faith save him? ...Even so faith, if it have not works, is dead in itself...Ye see that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only" (James 2:14,17,24). Yes, we are saved by faith. But we are not saved by faith only.

We Are Saved By Repentance
We have all "sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23). So Jesus said, "I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all in like manner perish" (Luke 13:3). On the day of Pentecost, people were convicted of their sins and asked, "What shall we do?" God's answer was: "Repent ye, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ unto the remission of your sins" (Acts 2:38). To repent simply means "to change one's minds and then change one's actions by turning from sin to God. But in the Scriptures, it carries with it the intention to do an about-face and live differently.

The apostle Paul, preaching in Athens, told those Gentiles, "The times of ignorance therefore God overlooked; but now He commands men that they should all everywhere repent" (Acts 17:30). You see, when one learns that God loves him and wants him to live here so that he can live with God forever, he naturally repents. As Paul put it, "Godly sorrow worketh repentance unto salvation" (II Corinthians 7:10). And Peter, preaching to the Jews in Jerusalem, said: "Repent ye therefore, and turn again, that your sins may be blotted out" (Acts 3:19). That is why Jesus said, "Except ye repent, ye shall perish." If we were saved by "faith only" than repentance would not be a factor in our salvation.

And finally, We Are Saved By Baptism
Jesus made it clear in the Great Commission, when He told the apostles: "Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to the whole creation. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be condemned" (Mark 16:15,16). That seems very clear to me. Yet people will argue with it and say that baptism has nothing to do with salvation! The problem is really very simple: they don't really believe the Lord Jesus! When God, by the mouth of Peter, told people "Repent ye and be baptized" (Acts 2:38), we then read, "They then that received his word were baptized" (Acts 2:41). You see, when they accepted God's Word, they were baptized. The same thing is true today. When anyone hears the gospel of Christ, and believes, he will be baptized, because he wants to be saved.

Saul of Tarsus, on the road to Damascus to persecute Christians, was stopped by the Lord Jesus Christ. When Saul asked what to do, the Lord answered, "Enter into the city and it will be told thee what thou must do" (Acts 9:6). Saul then spent three days and nights praying. Jesus then sent a disciple named Ananias to Saul to tell him, "And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on His name" (Acts 22:16). It was evident that Saul had believed, for he had called Jesus "Lord" and then spent three days praying. But he wasn't saved yet, for he still had sins that needed to be "washed away."

Your preacher declared, "Baptism cannot save anyone." But the apostle Peter wrote of the salvation of Noah in the ark, "God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also -- not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a good conscience toward God" (I Peter 3:20,21). As far as I'm concerned, that forever answers the argument that baptism doesn't save. The Bible says that it does.
The Bible says, "Are ye ignorant that all we who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?" (Romans 6:3). How important is it to be "in Christ"? Listen again to what the Bible says, "God...hath blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ" (Ephesians 1:3).

We are not saved by just one thing. God saves us, Christ saves, the Holy Spirit saves, grace saves, faith saves, repentance saves and baptism saves. We are not saved by one of these to the exclusion of the others. It takes all of them to accomplish our salvation.
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ius,

When I read your comment a few hours ago it made me really sad.  Baptism is part of God's plan for salvation just like the shedding of Jesus' blood.

We are not saved by one thing to the exclusion of all others, for there are many things required for our salvation. Rather than focus on just one passage that speaks of our being saved, we must learn the truth of what Jesus said: "Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every Word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God" (Matthew 4:4). Anything which God declares is necessary to salvation in certain passages of Scripture must be implied in all other passages which speak of salvation.

I have said this many times here, we are governed by "every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." We can't "pick and choose" which commandments of God to obey. Arraying one Scripture against another is rebelling against God, for He gave all the Scriptures. As the apostle Paul wrote, "When ye received from us the word of the message, even the Word of God, ye accepted it not as the word of men, but, as it is in truth, the Word of God, which also worketh in you that believe" (I Thessalonians 2:13). In other words, if you read it in the Scriptures, it is God's truth. And we dare not try to make one of God's truths contradict another of His truths because there are no contradictions.

So, what does the Bible teach about it? What saves us? Well, actually, there are several things. But let us be careful, when we find one of them, to not deny any of the other things which God names. There are probably thirty or more things that the Bible says saves us from sin. But let us look at just seven of them for times sake.

We Are Saved By God
"This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior; who would have all men to be saved, and come to the knowledge of the truth" (I Timothy 2:3,4). Yes, God is our Savior. But by what does He save us? Specifically mentioned in this text is "knowledge of the truth." So, we are also involved in the process. God expects us to learn His Word, and mold our lives by it. Thus, God saves us by instructing us in His Will, and showing how we are to respond.

Paul wrote, "God, being rich in mercy, for His great love wherewith He loved us, even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace have ye been saved)" (Ephesians 2:4,5). So God saves us by His love and His grace. This is shown in the sending of His Son to die for us: "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on Him should not perish, but have eternal life" (John 3:16). "But we behold Him who hath been made a little lower than the angels, even Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that by the grace of God He should taste of death for every man" (Hebrews 2:9).

We Are Saved By Jesus Christ
The angel announced to Joseph before the birth of Jesus, "Thou shalt call His name Jesus; for it is He that shall save His people from their sins" (Matthew 1:21). And again, we read in God's inspired Scriptures: "Though He was a Son, yet learned obedience by the things which He suffered; and having been made perfect, He became unto all them that obey Him the Author of eternal salvation" (Hebrews 5:8,9). But through what means does Christ save us?

He Saves Us By His Blood
"Ye were redeemed not with corruptible things, with silver or gold, from your vain manner of life handed down from your fathers; but with precious blood, as of a lamb without spot, even the blood of Christ" (I Peter 1:18,19). And again: "But God commendeth His own love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by His blood, shall we be saved from the wrath of God through Him" (Romans 5:8,9). We are also saved by the death of Jesus and His resurrection (Romans 5:10; 4:25). The apostles told the Jewish council, "He is the stone which was set at nought of you the builders, which was made the Head of the corner. And in none other is there salvation: for neither is there any other name under heaven, that is given among men, wherein we must be saved" (Acts 4:11,12).

We Are Saved By The Holy Spirit
The Scripture says, "Ye were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and in the Spirit of our God" (I Corinthians 6:11). Christ saves us with the gospel (Romans 1:16), and He shows exactly how that gospel was delivered to us. He said to the apostles, "But the Comforter, even the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He shall teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said unto you" (John 14:26) "Howbeit when He, the Spirit of truth, is come, He shall guide you into all the truth" (John 16:13).

Jesus explained just how complete the guidance of the apostles really was: "He that heareth you heareth Me; and he that rejecteth you rejecteth Me; and he that rejecteth Me rejecteth Him that sent Me" (Luke 10:16) "For the Holy Spirit shall teach you in that very hour what ye ought to say" (Luke 12:12). Read again, as God explains how the Spirit guided the apostles: "Who among men knoweth the things of a man, safe the spirit of the man, which is in him? even so the things of God none knoweth, save the Spirit of God. But we received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is from God; that we might know the things that were freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Spirit teacheth; combining spiritual things with spiritual words" (I Corinthians 2:11-13). Thus, the Holy Spirit saves us by the words which the apostles delivered.

We Are Saved By Grace
"By grace have ye been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not of works, that no man should glory" (Ephesians 2:8,9). No one can "earn" salvation, no matter what he does nor how much he does. Like Jesus said, "Even so ye also, when ye shall have done all the things that are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants; we have done that which it was our duty to do" (Luke 17:10).

Notice that carefully. "All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23). And even if we were to do everything we are supposed to do, God does not "owe" you anything! If we are saved, it must be by the grace of God.

We Are Saved By Faith
We are "saved by grace through faith." The grace is God's part. Faith is our part. God says, "And without faith it is impossible to be well-pleasing unto Him; for he that cometh to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them that seek after Him" (Hebrews 11:6). Jesus said it this way: "Except ye believe that I am He, ye shall die in your sins" (John 8:24). In John 3:16, we read: "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on Him should not perish, but have eternal life." And Jesus promised, "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that disbelieveth shall be condemned" (Mark 16:16).

The apostle Paul echoed this theme through all the book of Romans, as he wrote of our being justified by faith (Romans 5:1,2,8-10). But faith that saves is not "faith only." It is "Faith which works by love" (Galatians 5:6). In fact, the Lord's Word informs us, "What doth it profit, my brethren, if a man say he hath faith, but have not works? can that faith save him? ...Even so faith, if it have not works, is dead in itself...Ye see that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only" (James 2:14,17,24). Yes, we are saved by faith. But we are not saved by faith only.

We Are Saved By Repentance
We have all "sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23). So Jesus said, "I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all in like manner perish" (Luke 13:3). On the day of Pentecost, people were convicted of their sins and asked, "What shall we do?" God's answer was: "Repent ye, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ unto the remission of your sins" (Acts 2:38). To repent simply means "to change one's minds and then change one's actions by turning from sin to God. But in the Scriptures, it carries with it the intention to do an about-face and live differently.

The apostle Paul, preaching in Athens, told those Gentiles, "The times of ignorance therefore God overlooked; but now He commands men that they should all everywhere repent" (Acts 17:30). You see, when one learns that God loves him and wants him to live here so that he can live with God forever, he naturally repents. As Paul put it, "Godly sorrow worketh repentance unto salvation" (II Corinthians 7:10). And Peter, preaching to the Jews in Jerusalem, said: "Repent ye therefore, and turn again, that your sins may be blotted out" (Acts 3:19). That is why Jesus said, "Except ye repent, ye shall perish." If we were saved by "faith only" than repentance would not be a factor in our salvation.

And finally, We Are Saved By Baptism
Jesus made it clear in the Great Commission, when He told the apostles: "Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to the whole creation. He that believeth and is baptizedshall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be condemned" (Mark 16:15,16). That seems very clear to me. Yet people will argue with it and say that baptism has nothing to do with salvation! The problem is really very simple: they don't really believe the Lord Jesus! When God, by the mouth of Peter, told people "Repent ye and be baptized" (Acts 2:38),we then read, "They then that received his word were baptized" (Acts 2:41). You see, when they accepted God's Word, they were baptized. The same thing is true today. When anyone hears the gospel of Christ, and believes, he will be baptized, because he wants to be saved.

Saul of Tarsus, on the road to Damascus to persecute Christians, was stopped by the Lord Jesus Christ. When Saul asked what to do, the Lord answered, "Enter into the city and it will be told thee what thou must do" (Acts 9:6). Saul then spent three days and nights praying. Jesus then sent a disciple named Ananias to Saul to tell him, "And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on His name" (Acts 22:16).It was evident that Saul had believed, for he had called Jesus "Lord" and then spent three days praying. But he wasn't saved yet, for he still had sins that needed to be "washed away."

Your preacher declared, "Baptism cannot save anyone." But the apostle Peter wrote of the salvation of Noah in the ark, "God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also -- not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a good conscience toward God" (I Peter 3:20,21). As far as I'm concerned, that forever answers the argument that baptism doesn't save. The Bible says that it does.
The Bible says, "Are ye ignorant that all we who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?" (Romans 6:3). How important is it to be "in Christ"? Listen again to what the Bible says, "God...hath blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ" (Ephesians 1:3).

We are not saved by just one thing. God saves us, Christ saves, the Holy Spirit saves, grace saves, faith saves, repentance saves and baptism saves. We are not saved by one of these to the exclusion of the others. It takes all of them to accomplish our salvation.


Lets hear your testimony.
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Lets hear your testimony.


? I'm not sure I understand. :unsure:
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Quote (Kisssofdeath @ May 10 2011 07:03pm)
? I'm not sure I understand. :unsure:


The question that this thread asks,

"How did you choose/become a Christian"

is asking us to share a short testimony as to how we were drawn into the kingdom by Him.
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1, I was raised Catholic but I found it to be boring. I came to Christ on my own about a year ago.
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