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Mar 22 2011 01:04pm
Quote (Vinns12 @ Mar 21 2011 09:15pm)
it is impossible to follow everything god says


lol its not impossible.. if you think it is then why are you even following christ?
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Quote (demonslayer5 @ Mar 22 2011 02:04pm)
lol its not impossible.. if you think it is then why are you even following christ?


That is true, it is not impossible.
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Mar 22 2011 06:42pm
Having a homosexual orientation is not a sin.
It's acting out homosexuality that is.

Homosexual behavior is obviously against nature (anatomy-wise) and came about from distortion of God's perfect creation (as is the case for more sin).
Usually, the case is that someone with homosexual feelings had a bad relationship or absence of a father, or has been through some sexual abuse, or something along those lines.

A Christian with homosexual feelings can pray and fast (while not continuing in the lifestyle of sin, that is, acting out homosexuality or entertaining homosexual lusts), asking God to take away those thoughts, but God may never remove them completely. And that is ok.
Paul write that he wishes everyone could be as he was, single. Singleness allows you to fully pursue God's work without being held back by a family.
God can bring good out of any situation.
People with homosexual attractions may be called to singleness and consequently bring glory to God's name through that singe life (more so than if they had a family).
[Therapy may help, especially with discovering the possible causes. But it's like taking a straight person to therapy and telling them to stop it... it's just not possible 100% of the time!]

Now, this may sound sacrilegious, but hear me out--wouldn't it be possible for Jesus to have a homosexual orientation? Clearly he lived a perfect life and would not carry out any homosexual acts or lusts.
It's quite parallel to saying he had a straight orientation, but he did not carry out any adultery or sexual sins or lusts. Please, don't get me wrong in saying this.. it's only a hypothetical that I've recently thought of, it may be incorrect.

Anyways, Christians who have struggles with homosexuality will say that they did not choose to have homosexual temptation. The same way straight people do not choose to be straight, we just are. (Though with homosexuality it may stem from previously mentioned sins committed by others father/sexual abuse/etc).
They are ridiculed. Homosexuality is a taboo topic among Christians. Many Christians (myself included) go around flippantly saying "gay" or "faggot" or "no homo" which just puts that red A on them. It degrades people down to a sin--they are no longer a person who struggles with homosexuality, but instead they are a "faggot".
A friend recently told me his story, and how he was sexually abused multiple times as a child and teen and how his father wasn't around all that much. He's just a normal, cool, fun guy to be around, but he has struggles with homosexuality. He's said how everytime people flippantly say those kind of things it just takes him two steps back from getting away from homosexuality.
That made it real to me. I knew I shouldn't say "gay" and "fag" and stuff, but it just made me a bit more conscience. Now I have a face to put with it and I'm letting him down when I say that kind of stuff or allow others to say it.

Anyways, it is a struggle like any other. People should not be treated badly because of that. They are still God's creation, and God does not make junk.
Homosexuality should be a more open topic among Christians so that people with that struggle feel free to share it with others and stay accountable.
It is a sin to act out the feelings and those that continue in the lifestyle or claim that homosexuality is not a sin have been blinded by Satan and they need to hear this truth that they are in sin, the same way a preacher that has admitted to having an ongoing affair should not be allowed to preach until he truly repents from that lifestyle.

Hopefully this was understandable... Pm me if you have any questions or comments that I may be able to help with.

This post was edited by bob08 on Mar 22 2011 06:44pm
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Quote (bob08 @ Mar 22 2011 07:42pm)
Having a homosexual orientation is not a sin.
It's acting out homosexuality that is.

Homosexual behavior is obviously against nature (anatomy-wise) and came about from distortion of God's perfect creation (as is the case for more sin).
Usually, the case is that someone with homosexual feelings had a bad relationship or absence of a father, or has been through some sexual abuse, or something along those lines.

A Christian with homosexual feelings can pray and fast (while not continuing in the lifestyle of sin, that is, acting out homosexuality or entertaining homosexual lusts), asking God to take away those thoughts, but God may never remove them completely. And that is ok.
Paul write that he wishes everyone could be as he was, single. Singleness allows you to fully pursue God's work without being held back by a family.
God can bring good out of any situation.
People with homosexual attractions may be called to singleness and consequently bring glory to God's name through that singe life (more so than if they had a family).
[Therapy may help, especially with discovering the possible causes. But it's like taking a straight person to therapy and telling them to stop it... it's just not possible 100% of the time!]

Now, this may sound sacrilegious, but hear me out--wouldn't it be possible for Jesus to have a homosexual orientation? Clearly he lived a perfect life and would not carry out any homosexual acts or lusts.
It's quite parallel to saying he had a straight orientation, but he did not carry out any adultery or sexual sins or lusts. Please, don't get me wrong in saying this.. it's only a hypothetical that I've recently thought of, it may be incorrect.

Anyways, Christians who have struggles with homosexuality will say that they did not choose to have homosexual temptation. The same way straight people do not choose to be straight, we just are. (Though with homosexuality it may stem from previously mentioned sins committed by others father/sexual abuse/etc).
They are ridiculed. Homosexuality is a taboo topic among Christians. Many Christians (myself included) go around flippantly saying "gay" or "faggot" or "no homo" which just puts that red A on them. It degrades people down to a sin--they are no longer a person who struggles with homosexuality, but instead they are a "faggot".
A friend recently told me his story, and how he was sexually abused multiple times as a child and teen and how his father wasn't around all that much. He's just a normal, cool, fun guy to be around, but he has struggles with homosexuality. He's said how everytime people flippantly say those kind of things it just takes him two steps back from getting away from homosexuality.
That made it real to me. I knew I shouldn't say "gay" and "fag" and stuff, but it just made me a bit more conscience. Now I have a face to put with it and I'm letting him down when I say that kind of stuff or allow others to say it.

Anyways, it is a struggle like any other. People should not be treated badly because of that. They are still God's creation, and God does not make junk.
Homosexuality should be a more open topic among Christians so that people with that struggle feel free to share it with others and stay accountable.
It is a sin to act out the feelings and those that continue in the lifestyle or claim that homosexuality is not a sin have been blinded by Satan and they need to hear this truth that they are in sin, the same way a preacher that has admitted to having an ongoing affair should not be allowed to preach until he truly repents from that lifestyle.

Hopefully this was understandable... Pm me if you have any questions or comments that I may be able to help with.


I agree with all this except where you say, "wouldn't it be possible for Jesus to have a homosexual orientation." And, everyone will want to know why...one verse tells why Jesus could not have a homosexual orientation.

Matthew 5:28 (NKJV)
28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

Adultery is sin, we al lknow that. Jesus lived a sinless life, we all know that. Therefore the only conclussion is Jesus never had any sexual thoughts what-so-ever. As to his orientation...since He spoke so much against homosexual acts I would say without doubt Jesus did not have a homosexual orientation.
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nah man , they will patiently wait for you to bend over then they gona stick it into your ass
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Mar 23 2011 06:42am
Quote (bob08 @ Mar 22 2011 08:42pm)

Homosexual behavior is obviously against nature (anatomy-wise) and came about from distortion of God's perfect creation (as is the case for more sin).
Usually, the case is that someone with homosexual feelings had a bad relationship or absence of a father, or has been through some sexual abuse, or something along those lines.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

God created the animal kingdom. There are animals that display homosexual behavior, ergo God made a mistake. Or are you going to say that animals are capable of sin too? Also, your understanding of homosexuality and human sexuality is so incomplete and wrong it's not even funny. People don't become gay because of abuse or absence of a father. There is a huge biological component.
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Mar 23 2011 08:19am
Quote (rockonkenshin @ Mar 23 2011 12:42pm)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

God created the animal kingdom. There are animals that display homosexual behavior, ergo God made a mistake. Or are you going to say that animals are capable of sin too? Also, your understanding of homosexuality and human sexuality is so incomplete and wrong it's not even funny. People don't become gay because of abuse or absence of a father. There is a huge biological component.


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Quote (rockonkenshin @ Mar 23 2011 12:42pm)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

God created the animal kingdom. There are animals that display homosexual behavior, ergo God made a mistake. Or are you going to say that animals are capable of sin too? Also, your understanding of homosexuality and human sexuality is so incomplete and wrong it's not even funny. People don't become gay because of abuse or absence of a father. There is a huge biological component.


you cant ever put humans and animals on the same rank, dogs and other animals will hump just about anything and what happens when a dog or anything else murders someone?

im saying humans are a whole nother level higher then that of a animal and they are only here for our benefits
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Quote (demonslayer5 @ Mar 23 2011 12:58pm)
you cant ever put humans and animals on the same rank, dogs and other animals will hump just about anything and what happens when a dog or anything else murders someone?

im saying humans are a whole nother level higher then that of a animal and they are only here for our benefits


This is so laughably stupid it's amazing. A dog humping your leg/your cat has nothing to do with procreation. It's a dominance display, hence why even female dogs do it. These animals actually behave in the way opposite gender roles would, i.e. male animals trying to nurse offspring, male penguins watching an egg in the way the female would, etc. Also the "animals are there for our benefit" is also a biblical claim. You can't use the bible to prove the bible is correct. If you think gay people are gay by choice and not biology you are ignorant and wrong. Did you "choose" to be heterosexual?
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Quote (rockonkenshin @ Mar 23 2011 05:24pm)
This is so laughably stupid it's amazing. A dog humping your leg/your cat has nothing to do with procreation. It's a dominance display, hence why even female dogs do it. These animals actually behave in the way opposite gender roles would, i.e. male animals trying to nurse offspring, male penguins watching an egg in the way the female would, etc. Also the "animals are there for our benefit" is also a biblical claim. You can't use the bible to prove the bible is correct. If you think gay people are gay by choice and not biology you are ignorant and wrong. Did you "choose" to be heterosexual?


a biblical claim? lol its already been tested and proven that we are higher then animals

its laughably stupid that you consider humans as dumb as animals, well... if you consider your self the same as a animal then i guess you would be as dumb as one.

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