d2jsp
Log InRegister
d2jsp Forums > Off-Topic > General Chat > Christian Fellowship > Quick Question
Prev123458Next
Add Reply New Topic
Member
Posts: 64,763
Joined: Oct 25 2006
Gold: 0.00
Mar 14 2011 08:16pm
Quote (Torm1 @ Mar 13 2011 11:14pm)
Hank Hannegraff answered this question on the bible answer man once.

He (The Lord) knows whats going to happen as in He sees the possible outcomes in the future. Without making the potential outcome for disobedience, there would be no such thing as love.

Lucifer rebelled.

Definitely a good question, I'm going to look into it more.


I guess you don't understand the concept of an all powerful and all seeing god.

Quote (Torm1 @ Mar 14 2011 07:33pm)
Christian Fellowship

A baby breathing isn't a form of disobedience.


It was a comparison based on the inevitability of the action. lrn2comprehend.

Quote (cadizzle1392 @ Mar 14 2011 12:56am)
i know that everyone is made for a purpose. It is intended by God that every1 does good. but idk im still kinda iffy bout wat ur saying because i know for a fact God doesnt punish, he forgives, sin condemns people, not God.
ima just put my trust God


What limits an all powerful all knowing and all seeing god from forgiving sin?

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Mar 14 2011 08:18pm
Member
Posts: 12,977
Joined: Sep 13 2005
Gold: 11,571.27
Mar 14 2011 08:21pm
Quote (cadizzle1392 @ Mar 14 2011 08:23pm)
he has a wrath, but does not punish. our God is a merciful, forgiving God.

Quote
it is not God punishing you, it is your own self that causes your to be damned to hell for eternity. The Father does not send anyone to hell, nor is it his will that anyone shall perish, it is sin that causes people to go hell, not the Father.


Are you trolling me?

Facts:
Going to hell is punishment.
No person has the power to get to hell on their own. They have to be sent.
The devil cannot pull you down to hell.
The only being with the authority to send you to hell is God.



Why you're going to hell is irrelevant. You can try to twist words and claim that people chose hell by not choosing God but the fact is no person walks up to the doorway to hell opens the door and walks in willingly. God SENDS them to hell.

Hell is punishment.
God sends you to hell.
God is punishing you.


Do you disagree with anything stated here?

Seriously pick up a bible and read it, PM me if you want me to explain any of it to you because I doubt much of it will make sense to you. Your knowledge of Christianity seems to be based on what your pastor has told you in church.



As for kissofdeath not only would an omnipotent God be able to "kill" or render powerless an "immortal" angel this thread is asking why he created Satan in the first place knowing (because omniscient) what Satan would do. You prove once again you're barely literate and seem to lack a legitimate understanding of your own beliefs.
Member
Posts: 9,764
Joined: Oct 9 2010
Gold: 125.02
Mar 14 2011 08:28pm
You're both unbelievers.

Deny Christ?
Member
Posts: 12,977
Joined: Sep 13 2005
Gold: 11,571.27
Mar 14 2011 08:37pm
Quote (Torm1 @ Mar 15 2011 02:28am)
You're both unbelievers.

Deny Christ?


Yes I'm an unbeliever but that isn't exactly even mildly relevant to what I'm arguing here.

90% of my arguments in this forum aren't that God doesn't exist it's trying to educate Christians about the Bible because apparently most of them haven't read it or didn't understand it when they did.

Torm1 are you also claiming that God doesn't punish?
Member
Posts: 9,764
Joined: Oct 9 2010
Gold: 125.02
Mar 14 2011 08:39pm
Quote (MCS @ Mar 14 2011 07:37pm)
Yes I'm an unbeliever but that isn't exactly even mildly relevant to what I'm arguing here.

90% of my arguments in this forum aren't that God doesn't exist it's trying to educate Christians about the Bible because apparently most of them haven't read it or didn't understand it when they did.

Torm1 are you also claiming that God doesn't punish?


Nope, He is just.

He will give us exactly what we deserve.
Member
Posts: 5,429
Joined: Jul 10 2007
Gold: 1.00
Mar 14 2011 08:39pm
no i am not trolling. and as i said, God doesnt send people to hell, sin does. when the day of judgement arrives, God will judge you and either let you enter into the kingdom of heaven, or u will be condemned* to hell, which is your puishment, but it is not God that made you go there, it was yourself that made you go there. Hell was not made for God's people, it was made for Satan. Satan does pull people into hell through misleading and deceiving people into thinking they do not need God.

*condemned - To pronounce judgment against
Member
Posts: 9,764
Joined: Oct 9 2010
Gold: 125.02
Mar 14 2011 08:41pm
Quote (cadizzle1392 @ Mar 14 2011 07:39pm)
no i am not trolling. and as i said, God doesnt send people to hell, sin does. when the day of judgement arrives, God will judge you and either let you enter into the kingdom of heaven, or u will be condemned*  to hell, which is your puishment, but it is not God that made you go there, it was yourself that made you go there. Hell was not made for God's people, it was made for Satan. Satan does pull people into hell through misleading and deceiving people into thinking they do not need God.

*condemned - To pronounce judgment against


Exactly, in case you guys missed it:

John 3

For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that through him, it might be saved.

Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe IS condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

This is the condemnation: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness rather than light because their deeds were evil.


This post was edited by Torm1 on Mar 14 2011 08:42pm
Member
Posts: 6,397
Joined: Nov 14 2008
Gold: 520.00
Mar 14 2011 08:44pm
Quote (cadizzle1392 @ 14 Mar 2011 00:10)
So before I ask this question, I just want to say that I am saved and I fully trust in God and i know that He knows what's best.
But I have been wondering one thing, and i have been asked this many times by many non-believers:  since God knows everything,
shouldn't he have known that Lucifer would defy him and that he would tempt Eve and that it would eventually all lead to how the word
is now? Why did he even make Lucifer in the first place? I know there is an answer, I'm just searching for it.

And again, I am not trying to test God in any manner because I have given myself to Jesus and I trust in God 100%. Kinda just want to help some non-
believers out, and answer this question for them, because it seems to be asked a lot by them, and I do not know the answer myself. This may help some non-
believers out to as they read this thread..


I think you just disproved God.

Lmao
Member
Posts: 12,977
Joined: Sep 13 2005
Gold: 11,571.27
Mar 14 2011 08:45pm
Quote (Torm1 @ Mar 15 2011 02:39am)
Nope, He is just.

He will give us exactly what we deserve.


Seriously can you please TRY to keep up with me.

I never said the punishment wasn't just.

If my son disobeys me and I ground him did I not just punish him? The punishment was still just.

Quote (cadizzle1392 @ Mar 15 2011 02:39am)
no i am not trolling. and as i said, God doesnt send people to hell, sin does. when the day of judgement arrives, God will judge you and either let you enter into the kingdom of heaven, or u will be condemned*  to hell, which is your puishment, but it is not God that made you go there, it was yourself that made you go there. Hell was not made for God's people, it was made for Satan. Satan does pull people into hell through misleading and deceiving people into thinking they do not need God.

*condemned - To pronounce judgment against


Quote
Punishment is the practice of imposing something unpleasant or aversive on a person or animal or property, usually in response to disobedience, defiance, or behavior deemed morally wrong by individual, governmental, or religious principles.


Imposing something unpleasant (Hell) on a person (Sinners) in response to disobedience (sinning).

As for that last bit, I'm not talking about where people should go based on what they choose to do. I'm talking about literally HOW the persons soul gets to hell. If you believe satan has the power to literally take a soul and pull it down to hell once again, you haven't read the bible. Only God has the power to send a soul to hell.

Refute the bold in your next post or admit you're wrong.
Member
Posts: 5,429
Joined: Jul 10 2007
Gold: 1.00
Mar 14 2011 08:45pm
There is a reason, I'm just searching for it so I can explain to nonbelievers because it is asked to me a lot and i cannot answer because I don't have knowledge in that area.
Go Back To Christian Fellowship Topic List
Prev123458Next
Add Reply New Topic