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#21
Mar 12 2011 10:05am
Quote (Slayer_slays_motley @ Mar 12 2011 02:49am)
lol wow i didnt know this site had a bible thumper section


lol wow you finally discovered it after 3 years and 15,899 post? Welcome to this subforum you procrastinator. :)
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#22
Mar 12 2011 01:18pm
Funny how they call Christians "Bible Thumpers" like some sort of derogatory term, it almost sounds as if they're trying to say we were raised Christian or brought up in a Church or something.
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#23
Mar 12 2011 06:19pm
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This is deep,

how come you all know the Bible so good?

i mean im Christian but im not that good :D


Meditate on scriptures! You get so much from just studying a single verse.
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Mar 15 2011 02:16pm
It says that you will be able to tell your fellow believers by the fruit they produce. the fact is that we were born into sin. We breathe and we take in sin. This world is sin. With that said, we are also called to "die to ourselves." what that means in context is that we are to surrender everything to Christ whether that be our goals, our dreams, our personal lives and that includes our sins, our struggles. When we truly lay those at the feet of our savior, then we will notice true change in our lives. it all starts with accountability, and praying for real conviction for our sins and laying those sins and struggles at the feet of Jesus.

Also, i saw someone above talking about God's forgiveness and how he says that he will forgive us for our sins, if we love him. While this is true, a lot of us use this as a cop-out to just keep doing our own thing. As if we do the things that we do, knowing Christ's forgiveness is there, as if we are trying to justify what we do. This turns the cross into a joke. This turns Jesus into someone of convenience rather than a necessity.
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Mar 15 2011 02:36pm
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It says that you will be able to tell your fellow believers by the fruit they produce. the fact is that we were born into sin. We breathe and we take in sin. This world is sin. With that said, we are also called to "die to ourselves." what that means in context is that we are to surrender everything to Christ whether that be our goals, our dreams, our personal lives and that includes our sins, our struggles. When we truly lay those at the feet of our savior, then we will notice true change in our lives. it all starts with accountability, and praying for real conviction for our sins and laying those sins and struggles at the feet of Jesus.

Also, i saw someone above talking about God's forgiveness and how he says that he will forgive us for our sins, if we love him. While this is true, a lot of us use this as a cop-out to just keep doing our own thing. As if we do the things that we do, knowing Christ's forgiveness is there, as if we are trying to justify what we do. This turns the cross into a joke. This turns Jesus into someone of convenience rather than a necessity.


I'm glad you posted this. Believing in Jesus is the first part. Repentance is the second part. If you believe in Jesus, and are still willingly living in your wicked ways (ex. drinking, swearing, fornicating), simply believing in Jesus is not enough, you have to try change. You cannot serve two Gods at once. Its either God, or the Devil not both. If you believe in Jesus and have given your life to him, and are still doing these things. Pray to him and ask him to help you stop. God knows your heart, and he knows if you are absolutely trying your best to stop, or if you are just exploiting the fact that Jesus died for your sins.
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Mar 15 2011 03:31pm
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I'm glad you posted this. Believing in Jesus is the first part. Repentance is the second part. If you believe in Jesus, and are still willingly living in your wicked ways (ex. drinking, swearing, fornicating), simply believing in Jesus is not enough, you have to try change. You cannot serve two Gods at once. Its either God, or the Devil not both. If you believe in Jesus and have given your life to him, and are still doing these things. Pray to him and ask him to help you stop. God knows your heart, and he knows if you are absolutely trying your best to stop, or if you are just exploiting the fact that Jesus died for your sins.


its more than trying to stop sinning. James is very clear about sin, and the consequences of sin as well as Paul was when we wrote Romans. 2 Corinthians 5:17 "Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!" What Paul is saying here is that when you accept Christ into your life, there is an inner change, and a visible change in the person. Essentially, we are a new person. Things of the past should fade away, and Christ should be the new center of our lives, thus, we base everything we do around Christ. The thing is, if we as believers continue to fall into the same sin over and over, and there is no real conviction for what we continue to do, we need to examine ourselves, and examine our salvation, because it may not even be there. Obviously, we were born into sin, we take in sin daily, even after repentance, we are just so consumed by sin that there is no running from it. What i am saying though, is that if we continue to sin and there is no conviction, salvation was never there.
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Mar 15 2011 04:32pm
Quote (Creations @ Mar 15 2011 03:16pm)
It says that you will be able to tell your fellow believers by the fruit they produce. the fact is that we were born into sin. We breathe and we take in sin. This world is sin. With that said, we are also called to "die to ourselves." what that means in context is that we are to surrender everything to Christ whether that be our goals, our dreams, our personal lives and that includes our sins, our struggles. When we truly lay those at the feet of our savior, then we will notice true change in our lives. it all starts with accountability, and praying for real conviction for our sins and laying those sins and struggles at the feet of Jesus.

Also, i saw someone above talking about God's forgiveness and how he says that he will forgive us for our sins, if we love him. While this is true, a lot of us use this as a cop-out to just keep doing our own thing. As if we do the things that we do, knowing Christ's forgiveness is there, as if we are trying to justify what we do. This turns the cross into a joke. This turns Jesus into someone of convenience rather than a necessity.



The Bible does speak of all men sinning, but, it is speaking to those who are capable of hearing and understanding the message. In this sense, all have sinned, but not in the absolute sense of all humanity being condemned by sin from birth.

A key verse in understanding that we do not inherit Adam's sin of is Ezekiel 18:20 . .

"The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him." KJV

This clearly says, the person who commits sin shall die (be lost). It is not possible to pass on one's sin to his children. If this were true, Jesus would have been born a sinner.

Some religious bodies teach the doctrine of the immaculate conception of Mary the mother of Jesus to try and get around this difficulty. This is to say that Mary was conceived without Adam's sin so she would not pass on Adam's sin to Jesus. However, the Bible speaks of no such thing. This doctrine originated in Catholicism, a pronouncement of Pope Pius IX on December 8, 1854.

We will be judged based upon the things we do in our own bodies, whether it be good or bad (2 Cor 5:10). I will not be judged by Adam's sin, not will I be judged by the sins of my father.
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Mar 15 2011 04:37pm
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The Bible does speak of all men sinning, but, it is speaking to those who are capable of hearing and understanding the message. In this sense, all have sinned, but not in the absolute sense of all humanity being condemned by sin from birth.

A  key verse in understanding that we do not inherit Adam's sin of is Ezekiel 18:20 . .

"The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him." KJV

This clearly says, the person who commits sin shall die (be lost). It is not possible to pass on one's sin to his children. If this were true, Jesus would have been born a sinner.

Some religious bodies teach the doctrine of the immaculate conception of Mary the mother of Jesus to try and get around this difficulty. This is to say that Mary was conceived without Adam's sin so she would not pass on Adam's sin to Jesus. However, the Bible speaks of no such thing. This doctrine originated in Catholicism, a pronouncement of Pope Pius IX on December 8, 1854.

We will be judged based upon the things we do in our own bodies, whether it be good or bad (2 Cor 5:10).I will not be judged by Adam's sin, not will I be judged by the sins of my father.


All good points. But to say that we were not born into sin would be to imply that we were once sinless. Wouldn't this take away the significance of Christ's perfect life? Jesus was born sinless because he was God in the flesh. I am not saying that you will be juged by the sins of others, but rather our own sins.
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#29
Mar 15 2011 05:00pm
Quote (Creations @ Mar 15 2011 05:37pm)
All good points. But to say that we were not born into sin would be to imply that we were once sinless. Wouldn't this take away the significance of Christ's perfect life? Jesus was born sinless because he was God in the flesh. I am not saying that you will be juged by the sins of others, but rather our own sins.


But man did not inherit Adam's sin. We are not born sinners, therefore we were once sinless. If this were true all babies who died would go to hell. Wouldn't you agree? If not, why not? Tell me how a baby can sin when it know not good from evil? How does a baby transgress God's law?

You last statement is correct. We wil be judged by our own sins, but we are not born sinners. I cannot find this message taught anywhere in the Bible. I would like to read it if you find it. :love:
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#30
Mar 15 2011 09:32pm
oh... the lack of knowledge and talking in caps gives me headaches >.<

and we are born into a sinful world but are not born sinners
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