I don't think it is hard to tell at all what method of baptism God is telling man to baptize with. It clearly is water baptism. Only Jesus has the authority to baptize with the Holy Spirit and this happened only twice; ones with the apostles and once with Cornelius and his family. I ask you to please read this post from the beginning. I think this is one of the misunderstanding of what the Holy Spirit is.

After what I posted from the bible, do you still believe you are saved even though you have not had water baptism for the remission of sin as God clearly says to do? I to, am just trying to help and do no intend on offending anyone either.

You say this, "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing:the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. John 6:63" but yet you a pastor gave advice...was the pastor a spirit? I know he was not but that's kinda the way you make it sound. Anyone can spread the gospel, you do not have to be ordained to do so. Untimately you will have to make your own choices.

I hope what I am about to day makes sense to whoever reads it. I am attempting to explain what indwelling of the Holy Spirit is "atleast to me anyway". It has nothing to do with being baptized by the Holy Spirit.

Too often the simple is rejected. Where we dwell refers to where we stand on matters. For example, Christians are urged to abide in love. "And we have known and believed the love that God has for us. God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God in him" (I John 4:16). Our home, the place in which we stay, should be in love. When we stay in love then we stay in God and God stays in us. Notice that in our relationship with God, it is a two-way street. The one " who abides in love abides in God, and God in him." However you describe God being in you equally applies to you being in God.

People get confused. They describe God being in a person as a form of possession where God then takes control of the person' s life. Does that then mean that since I am in God that I control God? Why that is crazy, wouldn't you agree? I can' t control the Supreme Being, else God would no longer be supreme. Someone may ask, "Doesn' t God control your life?" Of course He does, but only because I have given myself over to His will. I still have choices. I still could rebel, but I don' t. Instead, I choose to do things God' s way and try to keep from commiting sin willfully. But God being in me doesn' t mean that I have lost the ability to choose, just as I being in God means God no longer has a choice. If I forsake God he can and will remove my name from the book of life.

Instead, God and I have chosen to live together in harmony. It is a result of the Christian choosing to be obedient to the teachings of God. "I have written to you, young men, because you are strong, and the word of God abides in you" (I John 2:14). What is meant by the word of God abiding in you? It means that the teachings of God have a place of residence within your mind. You have made a home for it within your heart. And when God' s word is within us, God Himself abides with us as well. " Therefore let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father" (I John 2:24). Notice the direction in this last verse. It speaks of the Christian abiding in the Son and in the Father. It remains a two-way relationship. God becomes a part of our lives through His word and we in turn become close to God the Father and God the Son.

In John 14 we can see the interchange of living together in harmony. In John 14:11 Jesus stated, "Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me." By this statement Jesus is stating that He and the Father have a close relationship with each other. And then, Jesus expands the circle to include Christians. " At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you" (John 14:20). Once again it is presented as a two-way relationship. The Christian is in Christ and Christ is in the Christian.

Most people do not have a problem understanding this relationship until the Holy Spirit is thrown into the picture. Christians understand that the Father and Christ are in heaven. Their dwelling in the Christian and the Christian dwelling in them is simply referring to our close, harmonious relationship. But when the Spirit is mention, suddenly it becomes a mysterious possession of our beings. Yet, I would have you notice that between the verse speaking of Jesus and God being in each other and the verse that speaks of the Christians and Jesus being in each other is this verse: " If you love Me, you will keep My commandments. I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you" (John 14:15-17). Is this any more mysterious than what is state before or after? No. It is almost parallel to I John 2:24 which we read earlier. If we keep God' s word then instead of saying the Son and Father abides in us, here Jesus says the Spirit abides in us. The word of God becomes the common meeting ground between the disciple and God. While we remain in that word, we share a close relationship with God – the Father, the Son, and the Spirit.

A lot of discussion is placed on the Spirit dwelling in the Christian, but the New Testament speaks just as much of Jesus dwelling in the Christian. In fact, it is used interchangeably in Romans 8:9-11. "But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you." Did you notice the shift from the Spirit dwelling in you to Christ being in you and then back to the Spirit dwelling in you? Obviously Paul sees the idea as interchangeable.

Christ is formed in us when we become Christians. " My little children, for whom I labor in birth again until Christ is formed in you" (Galatians 4:19). He dwells in us through faith. " For this reason I bow my knees to the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, from whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, that He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with might through His Spirit in the inner man, that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith" (Ephesians 4:14-17). Once again in the same context, the Spirit is spoken of being in a man along with Christ dwelling in the man' s heart through faith. There is no difference in what is meant or how it is accomplished.

There is a gift that Christ gives each of us. " But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ's gift" (Ephesians 4:7). We understand that it is a gift of salvation. But when the Bible speaks of the Spirit' s gift our minds start going wild with imaginations. "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit" (Acts 2:38). The gift of Christ that Paul mentions is the same gift of the Spirit that Peter mentions. Paul mentions that Jesus bought our salvation with his blood in Ephesians 1:7 and the Spirit guarantees our salvation through promise of God written down. "In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory" (Ephesians 1:13-14).

The work of Christ and the work of the Spirit are intertwined. The relationship of the Christian with Christ and with the Spirit is similarly intertwined. God is one. You cannot dwell with Christ without also dwelling with the Spirit. When Christ is in us, the Spirit is also there, and so is the Father. When we are in Christ, we are also in the Father and in the Spirit.

Everyone who is baptized for the remission of sin as stated in Acts 2:38 receieves "the gift" of the Holy Spirit. "The gift" referred to here is the hope of eternal life or salvation.

Galatians 3:26-29 (New King James Version)
26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. "Now, how does one get in Christ? According to this verse he is BAPTIZED into Christ."
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Here is the question...are you in Christ or outside of Christ?

Yea i still believe I'm saved because I know I'm changing because of God. And saying that only Jesus can baptize in the Holy Spirit is like saying only Jesus can perform miracles. When you get saved, God is in you (Holy Spirit), and you can do anything he can do, not by urself tho, only with his help if he allows you to do it. And yea i understand that the pastor is in the flesh. But he preaches in the spirit.

scratch that: i KNOW im saved

This post was edited by cadizzle1392 on Mar 8 2011 01:06am

[Yea i still believe I'm saved because I know I'm changing because of God. And saying that only Jesus can baptize in the Holy Spirit is like saying only Jesus can perform miracles. When you get saved, God is in you (Holy Spirit), and you can do anything he can do, not by urself tho, only with his help if he allows you to do it. And yea i understand that the pastor is in the flesh. But he preaches in the spirit.

scratch that: i KNOW im saved[/QUOTE]

lol did you just say you have god in you literaly?

you sir are a lier and a fool

God is a spirit and his spirit is in me, yes.

This post was edited by cadizzle1392 on Mar 8 2011 01:20am

Recently God has put it on my heart to stop arguing with you over theology. No theology will save anyone, only a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. When you post things like "you must be touched with water to go to heaven" i will still refute them, but i am not glorifying Gog by continuing to discussion over water baptism. We have exhausted this conversation and In the end it doesn't matter. All that matters is that the holy spirit dwells in us and we express our faith through love. Even though water baptism is not required for salvation it is a good thing to do to cast off our old ways and join the church, so we can both agree that it is somethings that is good for believers to do.

I don't doubt your sincerity. You should read the third paragraph in post #22. Also, can you show me where someone was baptised with the Holy Spirit other than the apostles and Cornelius and his household?

You say your pastor preaches in spirit, does he preach in truth? If he leaves out and ignores God's command to be baptized for the remission of sin then he does not preach in truth.

Jesus says in John 4:24, "God is a Spirit and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth."

I respect your belief, I will leave it with this then.

The Bible says baptism saves us.

Mark 16:16
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

1 Peter 3:21
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Does it not make sense to say if one does not repent and is not baptized for the remission of sin one WILL NOT receive the gift of the Holy Gost?

He does not ignore the command 2 be baptized. It is said that it is needed to make it into the kingdom of heaven.
But not to be saved.
Edit: I also think that you should think about going 2 church sometime, if you do not, to hear the word of God by someone who has been annointed by God to preach his word. You may learn something new and find some of your answers that you are diligently seeking.
Much love brother.

This post was edited by cadizzle1392 on Mar 8 2011 12:46pm

It is said that it is needed to be saved, you cant enter heaven unless you are saved,


Mark 16:16
He that believeth ***** and is baptized ***** shall be -------------> SAVED <------------

Ty for falsely accusing us of not going to church
and yes we both go to church every time our family in christ meets together on sunday and wed, also there is plenty more of us and many other preachers who have the same belief

Edit: I think you need some new glasses

This post was edited by demonslayer5 on Mar 8 2011 01:54pm