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Dec 30 2010 12:00am
Quote (ArcticWolf6 @ Dec 30 2010 12:18am)
Read the OP. Self-loathing and thinking about death constantly is a mental disease, not a spiritual deficiency. Feel free to actually tell me where I am wrong.



No, being sad and depressed is not normal. Where in the world did you get that idea? It might be a regular state for some people, but it's certainly not normal, and it's certainly not something to acquiesce to.




Look, I'm not trying to say that spiritual wellness isn't important. That's something I'm always working on. But disease is disease, and the body can't be healed through faith alone. You wouldn't sit there and pray for a broken leg to be healed, you would go to a doctor. Going to a doctor is not a sign of weakness of faith.


as far as being sad and depressed is not normal - so if you're ever sad or going through grief it's not normal?
it's not normal to cry when something bad happens or one of your love ones die?
may i suggest kubler-ross' five stages of grief (The five stages, denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance)
this is after all an accepted scientific model even by the world's standards
it is said that when a person goes through sadness or loss (grief), they hit these stages respectively
i think i see depression as the 4th stage
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Dec 30 2010 04:03am
Being sad all the time isn't normal, I should have clarified. The OP didn't say anything about a traumatic event, just that he had self-loathing and was always thinking about death. That seems to be more rooted in clinical depression than incidental depression.

And I never said he should go into a mental institution, I said he should go to a psychiatrist. (Or benther said it and I agreed.)
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Dec 30 2010 06:07am
Quote (mugshot25 @ Dec 27 2010 08:07am)
i am jewish but i wana know what the purpose of life is why did god put me here.i dont know if it is my heart or my soul or my mind but i think about death constantly an it hurts i am not a bad person i follow god an sin to the bare minmum.i am still young an atend school i dont do much in my life i feel like a bum an i hate my self i am always boerd an i am just waiting for my time to end i hate making new friends because i will eventualy lose them all.


he is young,,

there are alot of matters that can make him stressed out,,

being jewish seems to bother him,, maybe people at the school is bothering him?

why did god put him there? a question we all have asked ourself at some point more or less really,, the answer is something you need to find yourself,, mine is to have fun, live a good life, protect my family, and help those whom are truely in need

thinking about death,, could be becouse of the loss of someone,, close,, or in general country,,, he has not said the why of it

says he is not a bad person,, and I believe this,, keeping sin to a bare minmum is quite honestly said

he is afraid of lossing his friends,,

really,,

after looking this through,,

sounds more to me that it is his confidence that lacks

school and growing up can be tough sometime,, I would know,,

but still I was strong enough to overcome my troubles so I should not compair either

a problem alot of the time in thise chases is jealousy

one does not see your own good sides,,, couse all are good at something, we all have talents,, some more then others,, and we often overlook our own and see what we lack

one needs to think positive, and this can be learned

standart negative thoughs, will keep being negative, and all what you do,, will seem boring useless pointless

life is what you make of it



but!

what do I suggest?

talking to parents, a close friend if possible

there are good books about this too,,

Quote (ArcticWolf6 @ Dec 30 2010 10:03am)
Being sad all the time isn't normal, I should have clarified. The OP didn't say anything about a traumatic event, just that he had self-loathing and was always thinking about death. That seems to be more rooted in clinical depression than incidental depression.

And I never said he should go into a mental institution, I said he should go to a psychiatrist. (Or benther said it and I agreed.)


yes,,, being sad all the time can be normel,, couse what is normel? that you very happy? we all have our ups and downs,, and sometimes you can be sad for a very long time

and it certainly does not need to be a mental disease

This post was edited by haloneya on Dec 30 2010 06:10am
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Dec 30 2010 01:11pm
Quote (JonnyDangerouz @ Dec 28 2010 06:37pm)
im just saying you have to be carful with alot of those drugs that they precribe for those kind of symptoms cause they can make things worse
Some mental conditions need to be medicated, like tourettes or skitsofrenia, but conditions like anxiety or depression can benefit more from counseling
Because it is usually a state of mind they are suffering from, not necessarily a chemical imbalance and if you treat them for a chemical imbalance that isnt there it can do more harm than good
Im only talking about a few conditions (anxiety, depression, ADD) because everyone shows those syptoms now and then. and they usually stem from personal circumstances rather than brain chemistry
Im not telling anyone to not go to the doctors, so i really dont see the "danger" in my adivce


I agree with your point about prescriptions. Pills don't solve anything, they just delay your depression or problem for a period of time until you ake another one. You end up relying on pills and prescriptions to stay happy and that is a VERY dangerous road to go down.
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Dec 30 2010 07:06pm
Whats all the bickering about... Jesus is the best cure for anything.

The people who are saying doctor and medicine are required are the people with lack of faith
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Dec 31 2010 01:11am
I'm done. Nobody here understands depression, and if you won't listen, I won't try.

OP, please see a doctor.
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Dec 31 2010 05:48am
Quote (red_man_27 @ Dec 31 2010 01:06am)
Whats all the bickering about... Jesus is the best cure for anything.

The people who are saying doctor and medicine are required are the people with lack of faith


.... jesus is not allways a cure,, but it can help
Quote (ArcticWolf6 @ Dec 31 2010 07:11am)
I'm done. Nobody here understands depression, and if you won't listen, I won't try.

OP, please see a doctor.


I respect what your trying to say and doctors can help,,, but I would only recommend it as the last thing, if it is really needed,,

but dont come telling me that I dont understand depression, there is alot of types and stages of it

and there is still a lack of information in order to know anything in this chase
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Dec 31 2010 03:12pm
Read "2 Timothy 3" in any bible and you will see why people are feeling the way they do in these end times.
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