What do you think about the differences between the new testment believes and the old one. Assuming that jesus clearly did not wrote himself the new testment and believed in the old testment.

Examples:

1)Old testment: God ABOVE good and evil.
New testment: God = GOOD devil = EVIL

2)Old testment: every human was born with the right to choose his actions.
New testment: God has a plan for us all, people who commit evil acts are considered influenced by the devil.

Adam and Eve were the only ones created in the "Garden"

But some accounts tell us that there were already other humans and other races that had been created in other parts of the world.

"The Lord hovers over the earth"

He places people and lifeforms where He wants.

This post was edited by Torm1 on Dec 9 2010 08:59pm

I'd prefer the tora, at least there's SOME sense to that.
Until the day God tells me to turn to your Zohar or the Tora, I'll stick with being a God-fearing Christian :-)

The god of the bible is evil - period. -Please see

Your god doesnt know that owning slaves is wrong. I do. So my morality > your god's morality.

Your god doesnt understand that people can die from blunt force trauma 3 days later. Anatomy and Physiology fail.

Your god, or Jesus aka Joshua(Joshua translated to greek is Jesus) never - EVER denounce slavery. Douchebaggery.


I have a problem with the fact that none of this makes ANY case whatsoever that a being exists at all. The original writers - whomever they were, had ZERO evidence and thought earthquakes were caused by god being angry... We know thats not the case now.

Bronze age mythology is entertaining, but not evidence there is a god. There were much more entertaining stories about the greek gods and have as much proof for their gods are your book has for your god.

Discuss.

He may seem evil in the eyes of a human, but thats because our society has trained us how to think. Look at the world and humans through the eyes of an alien. An extra-terrestrial. Who are we to say what God should do? Does the clay say to the potter: "Why do you make me into this?"

In fact, the Lord didn't promote slavery, if you look at the passages, He was just setting up rules to be more fair to the slaves. Its humans who actually were doing the slavery!

And when Jesus came, he actually came to free us from the slavery and bondage of sin!

This post was edited by Torm1 on Dec 11 2010 10:59am

Your ignorance is apalling. Maybe you should actually try reading the bible, rather than spreading misconceptions and outright lies to people.

/discussion ended

This post was edited by KurosakiIchigo on Dec 11 2010 11:02am

Actually I have read it,where do you think I got that from?

It is a fact, that NO WHERE in the bible (find it if you can) does god say owning another human is wrong. Show me 1 place where Jesus speaks out about owning another human?

You cant because they don't exist.

But lets see this awesome treatment of slaves:

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

This is moron humans speaking, not an ALL KNOWING GOD. A GOD would have KNOWN about the effects of blunt force trauma and the ability to kill them days later. I guess god didn't foresee CSI and modern science. Convenient isnt it?


Claiming my ignorance when you are the one that has a problem with facts, shows you havent read your own book. I have several times. It led me to believe there was no god based on the lack of evidence. And if this is the only god around, then ya he is a douche.




Oh okay so lets own people because god gives us rules and guidelines that makes it better for them. MORON OWNING PEOPLE IS WRONG GOD SHOULD KNOW THAT BRA.




Ah but his only gift is eternal slavery of another kind. Slavery to a celestial dictator that will punish you for FOR ALL TIMES for the simple crime of.. wait for it NOT BELIEVING HE EXISTS BECAUSE THERE IS NO EVIDENCE and not believing the HEARSAY! lol

I like this guy already. /sarcasm

Read the book without your jesus glasses on and maybe you will see it the way I do.


Your god is jealous - a PETTY HUMAN EMOTION - something us pathetic humans can get over, but HE CANT! Perfect being there...
Your god orders Genocide - do I have to get the verses for you?
Your god orders the murder of women and children - see above


And you seem to think this is a being worth worship? And *I* am the ignorant one? Lolz


But we can just end it quickly and say nothing in your book proves god exists. It makes the claim there is a god, but has no evidence to support the claim.

EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS DEMAND EXTRAORDINARY EVIDENCE.

Bring forth your evidence:

Not testimony,
Not anecdotal,
Not hearsay,
Not intelligent design - proven false
Not because you 'feel' it - we can do this with magnets please google 'God hat'
Nothing that can ALSO be used to prove the existence of Zues, Wotan, Thor, Apollo, Fairies, Leprechauns, or unicorns.


Good luck.

Further ignorance, keep on ranting.

Nice response. Call it ignorance, but you still have no evidence your god exists. You cant (or wont) refute any point i have made.

Evidence please.

Because I'm not going to waste time participating in an internet argument, with an immature spawn, that's just trying to get an age old debate going. Countless topics have covered it and it always boils down to the same result, you can't proove God's existence with science, nor can you disprove it. You choose not to believe, I choose to believe, it's as simple as that. Go troll somewhere else or start your own pointless thread and leave this one to the op for it's intended purpose.