but seriously i really want to know the verses and stuff for the origin of satan

Isaiah 14:12-15 talks about him falling.
Rev12:7-10 talks about Michael (jesus? there is speculation.) and His angels beating satan down.

That sure sounds like free-will to me

Yo, if you don't get in this car right now I'm going to blast your face off with this shotgun right here.

Hopefully you don't think you're a peaceful person

Many christians think they are peaceful people but they believe shit like this rofl... it's because of people like you, that people die due to religious wars. Especially if these feelings accompany the "if you're not with me, you're against me" mentality.

good / evil . If god hav'nt created evil how could he judge things '' good '' ?

1: Because, according to the bible, God gave humans "free will". So if you have been bad, he won't accept you in heaven.

2: I like you. Every time my parents tell me their God and Satan crap I always tell them this. This just proves that religion was created by men to control the population. Always easier to control someone who's afraid of burning for eternity because he has done something bad than a bunch of people who thinks that whatever they do, it won't change shit. Humanity needed to believe in something higher than himself. If not, it would be chaos.

But still, there's no hell or heaven. Life is random.

The question is more: Why there's something instead of nothing.



God didn't created Satan you moron. Satan was an angel that turn himselft against god... I'm an atheist and even I know that...

This post was edited by xXImLegeND on Sep 17 2010 03:18pm

im sorry sir, but i used to not follow my faith until God hit my with intense stuff, my life change, and i have seen like a million things that would blow your brains out.
If i typed them, youd think i was lying however, so there is no need, pm me if you want details.

BTW -- Hell and Heaven SHOULD NOT be the focal point of Christianity, if so, thats taking what JEsus did on the cross, and saying 'He did it so you have to follow these rules...' WRONG!
Jesus didnt die on the cross so you have to follow rules, He didnt take you out of the bondage you have atm to say, 'aight, now follow this'
Its about love, not rules, not Heaven, not Hell, not control, nothing like that.
His love is amazing, and THERE IS NO REPLACEMENT.

btw -- no matter how many times i post this, none of you atheists will change your lives, and no matter how many times we see a
'you believe in fairy tales' or 'this is junk, get a life' or something like that, it WONT Change my life.
and if anyone is a real Christian, it wont affect theirs other than they will pray God will bless them because thats what the Bible says to do about people who persecute you.
Thank you for your time, ill be praying for you, peace!

Heaven and Hell are tricky bits for sure. A lot of scripture that people have reference me referring to hell I never interpretted the way they did. I personally believe the concept of hell and Satan to be embodiments of the idea of what it is like not to go to heaven. Hell/Satan are not an actual place/person in my eyes. To me, I view hell as the burning out of your existence, and then you simply cease to exist, as if you were never born, never lived. While heaven is a chance for life after death for the faithful. I don't think a loving God would ever create evil - neither do I think the concept of "evil" is in the hands of a mindful creature that seeks to ruin the lives of men. Evil to me is simply to live life without God, and without a faith in God, there is no life after this world.

When people quote passages, don't take it in context with what they are saying. Read it for yourself and see what message you get from it. I know a lot of it is cryptic, but in the end I feel like this kind of searching brings you a lot closer to God than if you simply relied on the interpretation of other men.

He's still God. He could still do it. lol.