God sins when he wants our attention? he is God! ROFL, my word man, that's the funniest thing i have ever heard... Do you not understand what sin is? Sin is anything or having to do with anything that God does not will. He could will you to have an accident tomorrow and break 50 of your bones, So are you saying that it is God's fault for allowing you to break 50 of your bones? and that he is sinning because he only wants your attention and because he wants your attention he allows you to break 50 of your bones?????????????????? God is the creator of this universe!!!!!!!! HE WILL DO WHAT HE WANTS WITH IT AND EVERYONE CANNOT SAY A THING ABOUT IT!!!! EVERY KNEEE SHALL BOW AND EVERY TONGUE SSHALL CONFESS THAT HE IS GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!How would you feel if something you created let's say a robot or something, but this robot had a mind of his own, and you tell it to go make you some pancakes... You would expect taht robot to make you some damn pancakes right buddy? GOD CREATED YOU AND ME AND EVERYBODY ELSE! WE SHOULD BE MAKING HIM PANCAKES INSTEAD OF US MAKING PANCAKES FOR US!!!! WE SHOULDN'T BE YELLING AT HIM TO GIVE US ATTENTION, WE SHOULD BE GIVING HIM ATTENTION!!!!!!!!!

Now, as for the ignorantly believing that a baby cries for attention only for when he needs his poop changed, and he's hungry. That's a cry for attention am I not correct? Because a baby can clean up the poop himself am I not right? Babies always clean up their own poop. He doesn't need anyone else to do for him. WRONG! Babies need you!!!! That's a cry for ATTENTION!!!! Because he only thinks about himself!!!! DO YOU EXPECT A BABY TO BE CLEANING YOUR POOP????? How come babies hush up when you give them what they want????? BECAUSE THEY GOT WHAT THEY WANT!!!! Do babies cry because they want to do something for another individual?!?!??! NO!!!! NEVER!!!! BECAUSE THEY ARE SELF-LOVING!!!!

SO WHAT I'M GATHERING FROM YOU IS THAT JESUS IS A LIAR!!!!!!!!!!! IF BABIES CAN BE SINLESS AND CAN EARN THEIR OWN MERIT TO GO TO HEAVEN THEN THAT MEANS JESUS LIED WHEN HE SAID IN JOHN 14:6 "I AM THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE! NO MAN COMETH TO FATHER BUT BY ME!!!!!"
LET JUST ALL HAVE A MASS GENOCIDE OF BABIES BECAUSE IT WILL SEND THEM TO HEAVEN!!!!!!!

YOU ARE WRONG MAN!!!! YOU ARE DEAD WRONG!!!!! THE FACT THAT MAN WOULD HAVE MADE THIS DECISION IN A PERFECT ENVIRONMENT PROVES MY POINT EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT ADAM AND EVE SINNED EVEN IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN THE PERFECT ENVIRONMENT!!!!! THIS IS THE END RESULT OF YOUR THEORY!!!!!! BABIES WHO ARE BORN INTO A SINLESS PERFECT ENVIRONMENT LIKE THE GARDEN OF EDEN WILL ULTIMATELY MAKE THEIR OWN CHOICE NOT TO FOLLOW GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm asking you if that is what you believe. I'm not saying that is what I believe. Also, I refuse to read your post because your caps lock button broke and because of these !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you want to have a conversation, then please present yourself well. Until then, your credibility is zero to me.

And I can't stop laughing at the fact that you believe that a cry for help is a sin. Was it sinful for people to ask Jesus to heal them? And because Jesus accommodated them several times, he was sinning too? No. In the same way, it is not sinful for a baby to cry for help if it dumped its diaper. It needs help. You are wrong, as you have been throughout this entire thread.

If you don't believe what I am saying then why did you conveniently ignore all the scripture I quoted?

My time here with you is done because you are blinded by your own beliefs and misconceptions. I pray that the next time I come across someone like you God will give me the ability to explain His word even more clearly, which is only possible through His power.

This post was edited by ihavethesniffles on Sep 3 2010 04:42pm

Ok, you're obviously not worth talking to if you are not even wanting to read my post, I'm not doing this for you right now but for anybody else who might be interested in reading about this.
I also responded to your PM but you have blocked me. In your response you said, I am blind. Wow, blocking somebody and quitting the conversation is blind.

I am going to post your response and let others see what I tried to respond you with, hoping that it would shed some more light on the situation.

Quote from IHAVETHESNIFFLES: Where did I say babies earned their own merit? I take it English is not your primary language is it? Until one is of the age to take responsibility for their actions, they have not sinned. Babies do not have the mental capacity to know right from wrong. This conversation with you is over. You are blind.

My response since he blocked me:
Ok, You're being offensive right now, English not my primary language? are you kidding me? first off, why would that have anything with this issue?
The fact that you do not want to continue with this conversation anymore is causing you to blind buddy.
Just because one person does not have the mental capacity to know right and wrong does not mean they have never done right and wrong!
Are you out of your mind? In the city of New York it is illegal to smoke inside buildings, or say the word "Nigger"
If I was smoking inside a building and yelling Nigger Nigger Nigger everywhere and a cop handcuffs me, And all I said was... "O I DID NOT KNOW, OFFICER" automatically, i am pardoned from my accusations Correct? WRONG!!!! YOU ARE BLIND!!! THERE ARE STILL CONSEQUENCES!! WHETHER I HONESTLY KNEW OR NOT!!!!
Already you've made a mockery that people are sinless from birth, yet, you fail to realize that we were born into this world at a perfect environment where order and justice were the only thing we knew, but yet, we find ourselves in this present situation. Please, I encourage you to read from the Bible. Why would I even bother to speak to you if it was for my own dignity? What do I have to prove to you? What reward should I get by spending almost an hour trying to respond to your PM's? I am only trying to speak God's word.

that's the whole point, do you really fathom the whole idea? if you fathomed the whole idea would you be trusting by faith?
the bible says that we should have the mind of a child when putting our faith in christ
the faith of a child is not knowing the whole picture,

Mark 10:15 (New King James Version)

15 Assuredly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God as a little child will by no means enter it."

Luke 18:17 (New King James Version)

17 Assuredly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God as a little child will by no means enter it."

I asked if it was your primary language because you have misinterpreted just about everything I've said and your English is almost impossible to decipher... It wasn't meant to be offensive but to be an honest question.

@Bolded: Really? LOL. You tell me to read the Bible, but you clearly missed such a huge portion of it called the Devil. You think that God created Adam and Eve with sin in them? Just stop digging your hole deeper dude.

I'm getting offensive and you're the one who is letting your emotions take over your argument. It's safe to say we are both being offensive. View yourself before you view others. I'm not going to discuss any topic with someone who can't control themselves emotionally. Either way, you'll have your beliefs and I will have mine. We are still both believers and this variance in theology won't prevent either of us from being in Heaven with the One we love. Let's leave it at that.

This post was edited by ihavethesniffles on Sep 3 2010 05:27pm

God didn't create adam and eve with sin in them, rofl, God created adam and even with a choice, a free will, and what did they do with that? they chose to stray away, a decision which would have been made by each and one of us if it was us in their shoes, think about it, adam and eve were in a perfect environment! let's put u in a perfect environment, so you're telling me that you'r ethe only one in this world that if you were put in a perfect environment you would lead mankind into a sinless world?
ofc not! you will choose exactly the way they did. otherwise you will be God, Jesus is the only one that can perform this miracle because he is God, saying that a baby can live a perfectly sinless life in a perfect enivornment like in the Garden of Eden is totally wrong

not to mention the fact that God is not limited by time, God knew Adam and Eve were going to sin before he even created them, he already planned a way of salvation before he created us, why would u even limit his power to save babies that cannot repent of their sins?

yes you may very well be a christian, but i'm not gona judge you like you did this kid in this post http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=47288942&f=125 you may very well be a christian, but you have lost all my respect

I didn't judge him. Quit making crap up to support your vendetta against me.

no vendetta man, jus telling you why i dont have respect for you.

You lost respect for me because we have differing theologies... I don't even want to know how you would treat a Calvinist.

That's a lie, I already stated why I lost respect for you, it was not until I read your post that I did. See the time logs if you want. Up until then I simply tried to reason with you.
Again, you fail to realize the perspective that I'm trying to let you see, It's not a matter of sects, theories, groups, denominations.... I already stated that I'm not denying your relationship with Christ
I'm just reproving you of what you said in that post.
2 Timothy 3:16 (King James Version)

16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

I just encourage you to continue reading the Bible.