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Mar 19 2010 09:14pm
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ 20 Mar 2010 04:54)
:) there isn't a need to make you believe :)

No one can make you believe . All you need is someone to show you in life that this the lord is worth beliving :)


Show me that the lord is worth believing.

I have never felt any degree of turning towards god for help, or in any ways felt conviced of his presence, even though im raised in a christian family.
But being raised in a christian family, I have seen people being 100% convinced about his existance. I have a hard time understanding this, believing so "hard" in an entity never seen or proven to exist by anyone.
To me christianity (or any religion) goes against any sense of logic, but I truly am facinated by people who can have such deep faith.
I sometimes wonder how this would feel, and I also sort of wanna experience it for myself.
I might have typed kinda fast on my first post, as it could seem like im here to flame/laugh at believers, which is not the case.

I find religious discussions intriguin, and I often participate in them, but I have yet to find the person to "put a doubt in my mind"
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Mar 19 2010 09:19pm
Quote (ayud @ 20 Mar 2010 11:14)
Show me that the lord is worth believing.

I have never felt any degree of turning towards god for help, or in any ways felt conviced of his presence, even though im raised in a christian family.
But being raised in a christian family, I have seen people being 100% convinced about his existance. I have a hard time understanding this, believing so "hard" in an entity never seen or proven to exist by anyone.
To me christianity (or any religion) goes against any sense of logic, but I truly am facinated by people who can have such deep faith.
I sometimes wonder how this would feel, and I also sort of wanna experience it for myself.
I might have typed kinda fast on my first post, as it could seem like im here to flame/laugh at believers, which is not the case.

I find religious discussions intriguin, and I often participate in them, but I have yet to find the person to "put a doubt in my mind"


There is almost no way to show you on a computer game fourm that the Lord is worth believing. But I may suggest that you look to one of your closest friend who actually have deep faith in the Lord and ask him why he does :)

You can also question a pastor of a small church in your area " I mean small church " Not those super mega churches. Why did he continue his work in helping people. Normally those people who doesn't force the bible down your throat are the ones
that can give you the almost correct answer :)

P.S Personally I dont look at christianity as a religion , like I said before it never was :). I believe Jesus didn't started it out as a religion anyways :) He just wanted to bring everyone back to the creator . He wanted to have a relationship with you :)

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Mar 19 2010 09:21pm
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Mar 19 2010 09:27pm
Also, ayud you need to ask yourself one question

In your own capacity of thoughts , how do you view " God" .

Is he supposed to be perfect ? Is he supposed to grant you any wish that you ask for ? Is he supposed to wave his magic wand and everything will be alright again.

Please post your thoughts and I will carefully try to make you understand a little bit more about him :)
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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ 20 Mar 2010 05:19)
There is almost no way to show you on a computer game fourm that the Lord is worth believing. But I may I suggest that you look to one of your closest friend who actually have deep faith in the Lord and ask him why he does :)

You can also  question a pastor of a small church in your area " I mean small church " Not those super mega churches. Why did he continue his work in helping people. Normally those people who doesn't force the bible down your throat are the ones
that can give you the almost correct answer :)


see this is actually my problem in a nutshell
It's impossible to show over a game forum cause there is no facts. None. Everything else in life can be explained by pretty numbers, formulaes and chemical reactions.
You see I dont exactly believe in the "modern" physics such as m/string-theory because they're pretty far out, but still I have the doubt it MIGHT be true, because a lot of people, a lot smarter than me, researches this stuff for a living, and there is a lot of fomulaes etc. backing it up.

However regarding religion no such degrees of "proof" has ever been made, even though the number of believers greatly outnumbers the scientists. There is no proof, only faith
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Mar 19 2010 09:33pm
Quote (ayud @ 20 Mar 2010 11:30)
see this is actually my problem in a nutshell
It's impossible to show over a game forum cause there is no facts. None. Everything else in life can be explained by pretty numbers, formulaes and chemical reactions.
You see I dont exactly believe in the "modern" physics such as m/string-theory because they're pretty far out, but still I have the doubt it MIGHT be true, because a lot of people, a lot smarter than me, researches this stuff for a living, and there is a lot of fomulaes etc. backing it up.

However regarding religion no such degrees of "proof" has ever been made, even though the number of believers greatly outnumbers the scientists. There is no proof, only faith


I think this forum was created not to spread the word on Jsp gaming forum. If someone manages to even get interested in the word its basically a plus and they may inquire more about it . :)

This forum was created for fellow christian to come in a take a break from everything else that they are doing :)

Quote (ayud @ 20 Mar 2010 11:30)
However regarding religion no such degrees of "proof" has ever been made, even though the number of believers greatly outnumbers the scientists. There is no proof, only faith


A lot of things in life are build upon faith, there is no need to proof anything :) Scientific proof is what skeptics use as an argument to deny certain theorys . Proof will be given one day :) that I am sure :) But when it happens you might be far behind from the race :)

There are alot of things in life that are not yet proven but can you say they don't actually exist ?

There are lots of natural occurance that science can't prove yet. Its a big "Question Mark" , but its happening , if everyone needs prove of existence , then it probably do not fit into what God actually wanted from us :)

He wanted Faith , he wanted love . God is as human as we can be , he made us exactly like him :) Just that we have more bad habits than he does :P

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I can also explain to you why Christianity is not a religion and why is it a as real as it can get . There are alot of incidents that happen in the bible , records and accounts that show you that God is pretty human in his thoughts :), if you want me to :)

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I can also explain to you why Christianity is not a religion and why is it a as real as it can get . There are alot of incidents that happen in the bible , records and accounts that show you that God is pretty human in his thoughts :), if you want me to :)


oh please do even though in going to bed now. Ill check in on this tomorrow :)
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Quote (ayud @ 20 Mar 2010 11:52)
oh please do even though in going to bed now. Ill check in on this tomorrow :)


Heh :P

God occasionally gets very pissed of in the Old Testament . So he created Eve to accompany Adam and also for them to reproduce and he didn't create Adam and Adam :) Because he knows that
The only way for them to have offsprings is that Adam somehow manage to poke Eve :P And that was how it meant to be :)

So during the incident at Sodom, What he say was completely what he didn't wanted it to be. You have Man poking Man , Women and Women and most of all you have everyone poking everyone in a mass orgy kinda event.

There are only a few dudes in Sodom who still hold true to what he says and they were saved. So God gets pissed , and summon one of his Angels to completely pwn the whole damn city .

That for one showed that he is purty human like us because he made us in the likeness of him anyways ( Anger is a common trait amongst Humans. )

God has a occasiona betting Habit too :P

He made a bet which Satan on Job saying that no matter what happens to Job , Job will still be faithful to him.

If you read the account of Job in the old testament you will know how much he suffered even though he was leading the way that God wanted him to his whole life.

Well God won the Bet and lucifer aka Satan was Pwn.

So what makes God ' God'.

So one day he finally said to himself , ok fine , I have prophets and dudes that have been following me for like ages and they did a purty good job. But all i really wanted was that all my kids can come back to me and believe in me. Someone that spreads a message that will gather everyone and every race that were the decendents of of the first 2 dudes that i made.

So he did the ultimate sacrifice , he send his son to die and atone for all our sins , that was the ultimate sacrifice . And that was Jesus :P , which also means from now on when you do something wrong your sin is already washed away when you believe in Jesus and seriously Repent from those sins ( you know they are bad -_-)

That doesnt mean that you can go and kill some dude and say oh I believe in Jesus and your sins are ultimately forgiven. Your Sins will only be forgiven if you actually geniunely believe in Christ himself .

If you do believe in Christ himself you would probably follow his word and ofc you will not be doing stupid ridiculous things :P

Pretty short summary :P

For more information please go to your local church to question more about God / Jesus / Why are they as real as it gets :P

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And as for the proof that you are looking for or any scientific relevance to denote something as real.

God probably already proven enough :)

If God made Humans in the likeness of him , it also means that God gave them a brain

And the brilliance of the human mind was a gift from God :)

You can't deny the fact that through history God has given humans to come out with the ability of " Flight, advanced medicine , Diablo 2 :P , blah blah blah :)

Such things are proven already, if God is going to give you an Ultimate prove of his existence , it would be very anti Climax -_-

And you must know that there is someone else who is challenging his authority and God has also given permission for him to interfere in our existence , however he puts complete faith in us that we will return to him ultimately.

And by giving us the ultimate weapon we have in the Lord Jesus Christ , that was a huge bonus for us to compete in this day and age :)

Just imagine that by giving you jesus its like have mass stacked resist , full 50% Damage Reduction , 95 Percent to all resist and full sorb Hammerdin when you are dueling :P

its not exactly that you are ultimate cannot be killed character but you will still get some damages somehow , so take those damages as trials and tribulations in life i supposed :P
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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ 20 Mar 2010 05:05)
Heh :P

God occasionally gets very pissed of in the Old Testament . So he created Eve to accompany Adam and also for them to reproduce and he didn't create Adam and Adam :) Because he knows that
The only way for them to have offsprings is that Adam somehow manage to poke Eve :P And that was how it meant to be :)

So during the incident at Sodom, What he say was completely what he didn't wanted it to be. You have Man poking Man , Women and Women and most of all you have everyone poking everyone in a mass orgy kinda event.

There are only a few dudes in Sodom who still hold true to what he says and they were saved. So God gets pissed , and summon one of his Angels to completely pwn the whole damn city .

That for one showed that he is purty human like us because he made us in the likeness of him anyways ( Anger is a common trait amongst Humans. )

God has a occasiona betting Habit too :P

He made a bet which Satan on Job saying that no matter what happens to Job , Job will still be faithful to him.

If you read the account of Job in the old testament you will know how much he suffered even though he was leading the way that God wanted him to his whole life.

Well God won the Bet and lucifer aka Satan was Pwn.

So what makes God ' God'.

So one day he finally said to himself , ok fine , I have prophets and dudes that have been following me for like ages and they did a purty good job. But all i really wanted was that all my kids can come back to me and believe in me. Someone that spreads a message that will gather everyone and every race that were the decendents of of the first 2 dudes that i made.

So he did the ultimate sacrifice , he send his son to die and atone for all our sins , that was the ultimate sacrifice . And that was Jesus :P , which also means from now on when you do something wrong your sin is already washed away when you believe in Jesus and seriously Repent from those sins ( you know they are bad -_-)

That doesnt mean that you can go and kill some dude and say oh I believe in Jesus and your sins are ultimately forgiven. Your Sins will only be forgiven if you actually geniunely believe in Christ himself .

If you do believe in Christ himself you would probably follow his word and ofc you will not be doing stupid ridiculous things :P

Pretty short summary :P

For more information please go to your local church to question more about God / Jesus / Why are they as real as it gets :P




If you write it like this I believe like 99% of the donor forum will even read it and understand what you explained them :p
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