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Jul 10 2012 08:59pm
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No it doesn't conflict. But Mary is probobly not praying for you when you ask her. In fact she probobly can't even hear you.


That's according to your opinion. There is no evidence that says she can or can't.

For the record.. I am not Catholic and I do not pray to Mary. I actually disagree with a lot of what the Catholic faith teaches/doesn't teach. But I do not believe praying to Mary is a sin. Many other things Catholics do can be qualified as sin.. praying to Mary is not. At least in my opinion. But of course that is the freedom we have. If I were to pray to Mary, I would be free of my conscience. If you were to pray to Mary, you would be sinning since you are convicted of it.

But I am convicted on many other things that are not "wrong" according to the bible. For example, I am 100% against the consumption of alcohol. Since I feel that way, it would be a sin for me to drink. Not even drinking to the point of being drunk.. simply drinking. But that is a burden I have placed on myself and have to live with.
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Jul 10 2012 09:03pm
I just got a revelation.

Prayer is a conversation or asking of from a spirit or spiritual power above. That means your praying to Mary if your asking of her.

And no man cometh to the father but through the son.
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I just got a revelation.

Prayer is a conversation or asking of from a spirit or spiritual power above. That means your praying to Mary if your asking of her.

And no man cometh to the father but through the son.


Then that means Jesus was praying to Elijah and Moses.

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And no man cometh to the father but through the son


That is in regards to salvation, not prayer.

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Then that means Jesus was praying to Elijah and Moses.



That is in regards to salvation, not prayer.


Ah now we're getting somewhere.

So what exactly is prayer?
Earlier everyone was saying that it was a simple conversation or asking. So what is it now?

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Ah now we're getting somewhere.

So what exactly is prayer?
Earlier everyone was saying that it was a simple conversation or asking. So what is it now?


Prayer is conversation, petitions, and praise.
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Prayer is conversation, petitions, and praise.


To only God though, correct?
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Jul 11 2012 07:21am
I'm sure it's already been addressed, but here is the foundation of my theology of prayer:

Matthew 6:

5 “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7 And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8 Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

9 “This, then, is how you should pray:

“‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
10 your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
11 Give us today our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation,[a]
but deliver us from the evil one.[b]’
14 For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.



Jesus does not instruct us to pray to his mother. He instructs us to pray to the father. Mary is not God and Mary cannot answer our prayers. Mary's name is not hallowed (Maybe to some it is.) The Kingdom is not Mary's. We don't ask for Mary's will to be done. Mary doesn't give us our daily bread. Mary doesn't forgive us. Mary doesn't deliver us from the evil one.

Follow Jesus' example. Pray to our father.

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Jul 11 2012 11:09am
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Okay, so before, I was talking about confession and I now believe it to be okay since Jesus breathed on the apostles so they could have the power to forgive sin.

Also to me it doesn't make sense that he would give the apostles the power to forgive sins and it would end with them, it makes sense that the power to forgive sin
would be passed down, right?

Now I would like to ask if it is okay to pray to Mary?

Also, where in the bible does it talk about transubstantiation?

There are so many different beliefs.

Colossians 2 NLT

16 So don’t let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths. 17 For these rules are only shadows of the reality yet to come. And Christ himself is that reality. 18 Don’t let anyone condemn you by insisting on pious self-denial or the worship of angels,[e] saying they have had visions about these things. Their sinful minds have made them proud, 19 and they are not connected to Christ, the head of the body. For he holds the whole body together with its joints and ligaments, and it grows as God nourishes it.

Okay so in heaven there is God and there is angels. Isn't Mary an angel? So it would be wrong to pray to her, right? Even if we are asking her to pray for us?


It is ok to pray Mary. the 2000 years of Catholic tradition proved it with tons of testimonials. Altough Jesus didnt directly invite people to pray his mom, he still offer herto the humanity though John the Apostle when he was dying on the cross.
Praying the Rosary is a great christian, catholic prayer.

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Jul 11 2012 12:16pm
Simply, I think praying for Mary and giving Her thanks is widely considered appropriate.

You just have to bear in mind that She is not the Father, nor does She represent Him.

So the act of praying TO Mary would be inappropriate.

This post was edited by piddywiffle on Jul 11 2012 12:16pm
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Simply, I think praying for Mary and giving Her thanks is widely considered appropriate.

You just have to bear in mind that She is not the Father, nor does She represent Him.

So the act of praying TO Mary would be inappropriate.


Indeed she's not the Father but the Mother ;)
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