Guys guys... Its going to be hard for a hardened sinner to come to Christ if they're being pressured to be baptised in order to be saved.

Just encourage them to come to Jesus, the rest will follow.

According to that verse (1 peter), water baptism is a symbol of the baptism of the holy spirit that grants us salvation.
In reading acts 10, peter clearly says that these people have recieved the holy spirit, aka salvation, and they have not been baptized with water. He then tells them to be baptized to associated themselves with the church and publicly throw away their old ways.





You are not reading the verse, "If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved"
It proves you wrong, its really simple.
It clearly shows us how to recieve salvation and it says nothing about water. The belief is the baptism of the holy spirit that guarantees our salvation.
I cant believe that is someone truly understands the character of God that they would believe that h20 has to touch your skin to go to heaven, its ridiculous.

Why do you insist on adding Holy Spirit to 1 Peter 3:20-21? Show me where it says that. Who authorized you to insert that? It is clear you are not going to answer truthfully. The true answer is "baptism doth also now save us" that is exactly what is says, no more and no less and it is clearly talking about water baptism. You simply refuse to believe.
You don't even have a clue what Act 10 is trying to say. It will take me time but I am going to show you what Act 10 is about.

Hmm let's see how many times water is mentioned with baptism.

1 Peter 3:20-21
(20) Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
(21) The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: The like figure is water.

Mark 1:9-10
(9) And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan.
(10) And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him: Good example of water baptism.

Acts 8:38-39
(38) And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
(39) And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing. Another example of baptism by water.

Can you tell me why the Holy Spirit is NEVER MENTIONED in ANY of these verses? All you rely on is Acts 10 and you don't even know what that's talking about.
You have a total misunderstanding what baptism by the Holy Spirit really is.

You know, it is very frustrating sometimes. I'm sorry for sounding or being rude. I do not mean any harm or disrespect. Having said that, the truth must still come out.

Still relying on peter 3:20..
Even though the word symbol is used in the bible?
Oh wait, you dont use that translation... /sarcasm
1 peter 3:21
and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, (the resurrection is what saves us)

mark 1:8
I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.”
They are clearly different. Man can baptize people with water. Only Jesus can baptize us with the holy spirit when we believe.

I am the one who doesnt know what acts is talking about? It is clear as can be
Acts 10: Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water. They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have
how do i not understand that? They received the holy spirit which according to ephesians 1 happens at salvation
They are saved and not baptized with water.

I konw baptism with water is important, which is why it is mentioned often in the new testament. But to say that any act we can do from man is required for salvation is ridiculous.

Repentance is an act. Would you say we do not need to repent?

Its still in God's hands.

Only those who he allows to repent, can repent, and its because of Him, not us.

All the glory goes to Him.

Yes, repentance is an action, but not a physical one. The road to salvation is an internal road, confessing with your mouth and believing in your heart. These are battles that depend on what you believe and not what you do.

I want to go back to the story of simon we were talking about.
acts 8:
14 When the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had accepted the word of God, they sent Peter and John to Samaria. 15 When they arrived, they prayed for the new believers there that they might receive the Holy Spirit, 16 because the Holy Spirit had not yet come on any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 17 Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.

If you have been baptized but you have not received the holy spirit, what good is it?
Do they need to be re-baptized to acheive salvation? Because obviously the first time their baptism didnt mean anything at all. Does it still count on your checklist of things you have to do to go to heaven?

I am giving up on this topic. Both sides aren't budging as they feel is right. We use verses to try and back up our faith but neither side really seems to care about each others views which appears to be getting personal. Since that's the case, I am done and will kindly agree to disagree.

By saying this you are saying man has no free will to choose. We have free will to choose to follow Jesus, not follow Jesus or follow for a period then stop. God does not force man to do anything.