I'll tell you what I was told a few weeks ago. There are two Covenants. There is the Covenant of the Works and the Covenant of Grace. The Covenant of the Works is based on living the perfect life and that was broken when Adam and Eve ate from the Tree of Knowledge. Jesus brought in the New Covenant which is the Covenant of Grace.

Jesus is the only one who has ever fulfilled the Covenant of the Works. There are those who believe that we must earn our way into Heaven, hence they are trying to fulfill the Covenant of the Works which is impossible. If we are judged by the Covenant of Grace then Jesus wipes away our record and puts his name in our place so when God judges us he will see Jesus' name in our place.

For those that reject Jesus, in reality they are asking to be judged via the Covenant of the Works. That brings about chaotic consequences.

Those are the halucinations of a sick priest. There is nowhere in the Bible anything about it.

So you're saying God doesn't actually love us, and is Tricked by Jesus into thinking everyone who dies is actually Jesus over and over again?
I'm not sure I'm okay with that. God is all knowing and all powerful. If he hated us from the time of Adam and Eve, wouldn't it make more sense to just erase us from existing so he doesn't have to stand us anymore? It seems cruel and pointless to let us exist only to die and have him say "I let you live because I hate you, now suffer for eternity" or "oh Jesus you died again? Welcome to heaven"

Also btw you're saying all those before Jesus ( including Moses), are in hell. Also every Jewish person ever. That's crazy

This post was edited by neekzisonfire on Aug 30 2014 11:21am

Jesus is the Governor of our planet, therefore your statement below says it all:

Matthew 18 New International Version (NIV)
12 “What do you think? If a man owns a hundred sheep, and one of them wanders away, will he not leave the ninety-nine on the hills and go to look for the one that wandered off? 13 And if he finds it, truly I tell you, he is happier about that one sheep than about the ninety-nine that did not wander off. 14 In the same way your Father in heaven is not willing that any of these little ones should perish.

no one will be lost, all are on the path of evolution.
this is justice, that's mercy, that is God.

if you are a sheep in Jesus's flock. not if you are a mad wolf/thug, hunting on innocent sheep/believers

This post was edited by the_rest on Aug 31 2014 07:14am

We are talking about a good person who has feelings and cares about others, not a sadistic murdering rapist.

even the impure, will have the opportunity of repentance and moral change.
this is God's mercy that we all desire.



perfectly.
this feeling that no soul be lost is the overall feeling.

And what group of people put the works together, for the bible? Lots got left out of the bible... And they told the people, never add anything else.. they did not want to be added.
So we claim there is nothing else to be learned of the truth, besides what is in the one book these people put together? That seems a little vain to me..
you put your trust in a king and his scribes, to put forth a book of God.
Like trust Bush to tell you how worship God..
Sure Jesus was real ..Sure we can see some of his teachings in the bible.. Don't be foolish, and think they did not try hide some things, he may of wanted to share with us all.

meaning maybe all the truth, is not in the bible.. God is in every religion, and the way we worship god does not matter.. As long we do it honestly .. Be truthful to God and yourself.. First comes God, meaning don't break his rules.. Then comes your family..

We all have a sense of right, and wrong.. =the real book of god.. that is where you find God

This post was edited by doomchaser on Aug 31 2014 09:02am

that's right

Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me"

This means that if you follow the way, the truth, and the life, then you are one with Jesus Christ even if you were brought up in a different religion

Yeah but it is implied. Jesus says that he will 'bring in the new Covenant.' What do you mean the hallucinations of a sick priest? Don't you reckon that there are many people who would have investigated this for us?

Many people have investigated and they have brought their findings to us so we don't have to so much investigate but go to Bible Study and discuss our point of view.



Are you putting words into my mouth? Tell me where I mentioned that God doesn't love us. I only mentioned the two Covenants, nothing about love or hate as I never used those words.

If you want to know whether or not I think God loves me I remember John 3:16.

I know of a site called gotquestions and one of the things asked is that very question of what happened to those that died before Jesus? I'll let you decide on what to do with that information as to whether or not you want to research it or not. If you do not then that means you don't truly care.
If you do decide to look it up then that means that you are ready to learn more and can indeed approach The Message with an open heart.