"Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you."--john 15:16 kjv

are you saying GOD is a liar, xBx?

For many are called, but few are chosen.--mathew 22:14




We have free will to make our own choices yes, but only GOD is good and any good comes thru him, it's not a controlling us, we can turn away if we like, but it comes thru GOD any good works

Neither of you are saved, You think it's by works that get you into heaven, when it's not. It's the grace of GOD. GOD knows his sheep, it also talks about being ordained and the elect.... You guys seek to understand thru yourselves, instead of relying on GOD for understanding
Trust in the LORD with all your heart; and lean not unto your own understanding.

This post was edited by ferf on Apr 6 2014 01:26pm

I could quote versus out of context too. Doesnt make anyone a liar ferf. Find out what the whole context of that verse is.

and why do you think it was out of context? The gospel was created/inspired by GOD, to call his children

let me guess, you think it was directed at the apostles only? I feel sorry for you.

This post was edited by ferf on Apr 6 2014 01:29pm

I do believe (and i could br wrong) that particular part is jesus addressing his disciples. Saying he chose them to spread his gospel, they did not choose him. Ergo, taken out of context.

You lack understanding of the gospel... Ask GOD to see.

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.


Understanding of his word, comes thru GOD. You cannot understand/hear/see. on your own. Ask GOD for guidance/sight and to save you etc, and have desire to serve GOD in truth

This post was edited by ferf on Apr 6 2014 01:33pm

I think it is YOU who lacks understanding. The bible is not a long long list of how to live through god. Its a collection of conversations and direction for living through christ and redeeming ones self. Dont quote it randomly and chaotically out of context, it cheapens the entire message.

This is pointless, You are blind, Only god can give you sight, may advice is to pray to GOD for understanding, salvation cannot come through yourself

This post was edited by ferf on Apr 6 2014 01:38pm

Youre right it is pointless to make you see youre wrong. By your logic god is a raffel ticket picker who chooses who lives eternal and who burns. He doesnt. That would potentially mean a good god fearing women whos given everything for christ and to help her fellow man could end up in hell and some sadist satan worshipper could go to heaven.

yep, it might not be seen as fair to you, but it is. GOD choses whom he will. It's not up to us. and you lack understanding of hell too. It's not physical fire, it's symbolic of Guilt. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth


fire is symbolic, it's not meaning literal fire.... people in hell will be having anguish

they are not g oing to be tortured.... they are going to be tormented by their own sins

i agree with your points completely

the reason the world works the way it does.. the reason it's more difficult to make right choices is because God is watching, and testing us
we were put on this earth to live our lives the way that we choose to live. and if we choose a path of darkness, then we will see no light in the next world.
however, if we choose a path of righteousness, God will graciously accept us into his kingdom and embrace us with his grace and mercy