If you say that I am wrong, then you are also saying that God is wrong because what I posted is truth from the bible, and not some man's words that came out of thin air. I am not against homosexuals as a person, but I am against that lifestyle they live. I want to see homosexuals turn away from their ungodly deeds of living a homosexual life, and truly be born again, and made new. I know God loves them, and he wants to see them change from their immoral way. But, if they are a true born again christian they will not continue in their homosexual lifestyle. You cannot be a true born again christian, and also keep living a homosexual life. When you are born again, you are made new. You cannot put new wine(being born again) into old bottles(the old man, and it's way of living. In this case, homosexuality), or else they will burst.

pwb3, clean and unclean food or animals for food. Keep in heart that the topic about clean or unclean food is about food. And please keep in mind that when you quote from the bible, please quote the complete words, not omitting any!
God hates sin! God hates wicked! God created the world, yet you have to understand that God hates the bad and loves the good. There are good acts and bad acts. There is sin and righteous. God hates sin but loves righteous.
Stay away from misinterpretation!

Literal words from the bible
Mark 7
14 Then Jesus called to the crowd to come and hear. “All of you listen,” he said, “and try to understand. 15 It’s not what goes into your body that defiles you; you are defiled by what comes from your heart.[h]”

17 Then Jesus went into a house to get away from the crowd, and his disciples asked him what he meant by the parable he had just used. 18 “Don’t you understand either?” he asked. “Can’t you see that the food you put into your body cannot defile you? 19 Food doesn’t go into your heart, but only passes through the stomach and then goes into the sewer.” (By saying this, he declared that every kind of food is acceptable in God’s eyes.)

20 And then he added, “It is what comes from inside that defiles you. 21 For from within, out of a person’s heart, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, 22 adultery, greed, wickedness, deceit, lustful desires, envy, slander, pride, and foolishness. 23 All these vile things come from within; they are what defile you.”

So... you gonna read the book or not?
Not gonna argue with you any further.
There is such a thing as being gay and Christian.

i dont think of the issue as being intimate with members of the same sex, but being physically intimate with members of the same sex.

IMO, id have no problems with some one who alinged them self as a LBGT Christian, assuming they had taken a vow of abstinance.

I don't need to read the book because you already summed it up in previous posts. I'm not really arguing. I'm just pointing out truth, and I don't see you pointing out truth except saying that the book you want us to read has truth in it. Well, there isn't any truth in that book because you cannot be a true born again christian, and also live a homosexual lifestyle. There are plenty of people who claim to be christians, but are they truly christians? No. Read 1st John Chapter 4 verses 1-3.
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
When it says Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God means that if you confess that Jesus Christ lives in you, then you are of God. And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God means that if you confesseth not that Jesus Christ lives in you, then you are not of God. If a homosexual says that Jesus Christ lives in them then they are a liar because Jesus Christ will live in you when you are born again, and made new, and your old man is put away. If a homosexual was to turn away from homosexuality, and be saved by the grace of God then Jesus will live in them, and will not desire to be a homosexual because Jesus Christ lives in them showing them the right way to live, and not the wrong way to live by being sexually immoral in this case, homosexuality. Do you not understand that when someone is born again, then the old man is put to death? So, when a homosexual truly turns to God, and is saved, then they will be born again, and put to death that old man of homosexuality, and will be made new by becoming a heterosexual and accept God's way of marriage(man, and woman). The bible is not hard to understand. There is simplicity in Jesus Christ. But, to the wise, God hath confounded them because they want to make God's word into a lie. This world is mixing worldy things with Godly things from the bible, and making new religions that say that you can pretty much do anything, and everything, and still be a christian as long as you repent, etc. Well, guess what, that's wrong. The bible says that in the end days, that which is good will be called evil, and that which is evil will be called good. And, that's happening in the world today. An example of this is exactly what you posted. The world is saying, oh it's alright to be homosexual, and still serve God. Once a homosexual puts to death the old man of homosexuality, and is born again, then he can call himself a christian(one that is truly born again).

I was saved at 9 years old, long before I hit puberty. I know I am going to heaven. I have no doubt in my heart that I am a born again Christian, and you cannot lose your salvation no matter what happens later on in life. As I grew older and hit puberty, I realized I was attracted to men. I tried praying it away, but that didn't work. It is a part of His plan for me to be gay, just like it is a part of His plan for me to be deaf. You can pray and pray and pray for my hearing to be "healed" but nothing will happen (unless God decided He wants my hearing to be restored for His glory. It's all up to Him, and yes it can happen. Miracles can happen). Likewise, you can pray and pray all you want for my sexual orientation to change, but nothing will happen unless God decides to. God can miraculously make me straight, but I won't hold my breath for that to happen. I will just focus on serving Him, doing His will, until I die. I won't waste my time pretending I'm straight and marry a woman. God has a purpose, a plan for me. He doesn't care if I kiss a man or a woman. All He truly cares about is our salvation and that we love Him above all things.

That's correct. You can't lose your salvation. When you are born again, you can't lose your salvation, and keep being born again over, and over again. Being saved at such a young age is probably a hard thing. You may have thought you were saved, but you haven't even grown up into an adult yet to experience life. Was there anything that has happened in your past that has brought you great hurt, such as having a bad father, or mother figure, or anything? Well, here is the thing. What do you say about Romans Chapter 1 that I posted in post #3? God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient(talking about homosexuality, and immoral sex). And they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. God does not want you to be a homosexual, and if you continue to live a homosexual life, then you are not born again. You were never saved to begin with. You thought you were. Being such a young age you can proclaim to be saved, but you're not necessarily at the age of understanding what it is to be saved. Remember the parable of the sower?

Matthew 13:3-9
3 And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow;
4 And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:
5 Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:
6 And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.
7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:
8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.
9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

The seed is “the word of the kingdom.” The hard ground represents someone who is hardened by sin; he hears but does not understand the Word, and Satan plucks the message away, keeping the heart dull and preventing the Word from making an impression. The stony ground pictures a man who professes delight with the Word; however, his heart is not changed. The thorny ground depicts one who seems to receive the Word, but whose heart is full of riches, pleasures, and lusts; the things of this world take his time and attention away from the Word, and he ends up having no time for it. The good ground portrays the one who hears, understands, and receives the Word—and then allows the Word to accomplish its result in his life. The man represented by the “good ground” is the only one of the four who is truly saved, because salvation’s proof is fruit.

Thank you so much for sharing your life. I respect you and i will definitely pray for you. I see a good hope in your words. I see that you are struggling. However, i hope you dont give up this good fight, a struggle to seek what is the truth or what is the real good. We do not know how your issue will end but i hope that you never give up finding the true answer. Keep on praying and keep on wrestling with the issue, dont ever give up!

imo if god hates on gays hes not a god you should follow. being gay isnt a choice its a disease and has to do with your chromosomes. so basically your god (assuming he really does hate gays) gives them life and makes them gay. its not a choice.

e/ christian faith at times sickens me. for them to shun and tell them theyre not good enough to join them because theyre gay is a disgust and for thinking that you guys should rot in hell

. theyre people to. stop looking down on them

This post was edited by yodakon on Jun 20 2013 11:51pm