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Jul 9 2012 12:19pm
Check out Kenneth Copeland, his word is very good and I've never heard him say anything wrong.

But I've had alot of different preachers put bad word in my heart, Copeland preaches some really good Word.

www.KCM.org
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Jul 9 2012 05:55pm
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Check out Kenneth Copeland, his word is very good and I've never heard him say anything wrong.

But I've had alot of different preachers put bad word in my heart, Copeland preaches some really good Word.

www.KCM.org



Copeland is just a human. Its better to follow Jesus's words.

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Jul 9 2012 06:07pm
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Copeland is just a human. Its better to follow Jesus's words.


Obviously he's a human, that doesn't mean you can't accept the divine revelation of Jesus' words that God has given him to preach to people.
If your living in God's purpose and meaning for your life your on the correct path and he is there for a reason.

If I were to take up the attitude you have, I would be saying, "All preacher's lives are meaningless and their words mean nothing."
That's just being ignorant of what God has planned for your life and for others.

It's also being ignorant of Jesus' words that you say to so eagerly follow.

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Copeland is just a human. Its better to follow Jesus's words.



1 Corinthians 12 explains that Jesus' words can be spoken threw man, it talks of the gifts that the Holy Ghost can bestow unto man.
there is a better example of what i am trying to say but for the life of me i cannot remember where it is. i will try to find it and elaborate more.

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Matthew 7: 21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven.



John 6:39-40

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39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
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Jul 10 2012 04:47am
Let us also look at Jesus words.

John 15:1-5

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15 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.

2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
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Jul 10 2012 04:48am
Let us also look at Ephesians.

Ephesians 2:8-10

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8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
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Jul 10 2012 04:54am
It comes down to Lordship Salvation (Faith + Works) versus Faith.

The bible can not contradict itself, it is our own understanding that gets in the way of true knowledge.

Let us look at Titus.

Titus 3:5

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5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
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Romans 4:5

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5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
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