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May 26 2012 06:51am
Quote (Murphy16 @ May 26 2012 12:48pm)
That doesn't really address my last post at all, but okay.


Hebrews 10

11 Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool. 14 For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.

15 The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says:

16 “This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.”[B]17 Then he adds:

“Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.”[c]


Hebrews 10

11 Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool. 14 For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.


ONE SACRIFICE FOR ALL TIME FOR SINS

ALL TIME= PAST, PRESENT, FUTURE

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May 26 2012 07:03am
How is the quality of life that is filled with shameless sin?
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May 26 2012 07:05am
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How is the quality of life that is filled with shameless sin?



Sin has already been paid for. Sin is being sin conscious. I am under the new covenant. I am under grace. Christ remembers our sins no more.

The price for sin has been paid.

PRAISE THE LORD JESUS CHRIST!

Hebrews 10

16 “This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.”[b]

17 Then he adds:

“Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.”[c]


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May 26 2012 07:06am
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Sin has already been paid for. Sin is being sin conscious. I am under the new covenant. I am under grace. Christ remembers our sins no more.

The price for sin has been paid.

PRAISE THE LORD JESUS CHRIST!


Okay, dude. Go out and cheat on your wife, then come home and beat her. It's all good, Jesus forgave you almost 2000 years ago.
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May 26 2012 07:11am
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Okay, dude. Go out and cheat on your wife, then come home and beat her. It's all good, Jesus forgave you almost 2000 years ago.


Breaking the laws of this world have a punishment you know, jail, prison...
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May 26 2012 07:17am
You should read the whole book of James, it has a pretty large focus on works and their correlation to faith.

James 2:14-26

New King James Version (NKJV)
Faith Without Works Is Dead

14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?

26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
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May 26 2012 07:20am
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Breaking the laws of this world have a punishment you know, jail, prison...


So you don't recognize the ten commandments? Adultery is perfectly cool with God?

I'm not saying this to put you down, brother, I'm speaking from experience: selective spirituality does not work.
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May 26 2012 07:23am
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You should read the whole book of James, it has a pretty large focus on works and their correlation to faith.

James 2:14-26

New King James Version (NKJV)
Faith Without Works Is Dead

14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?

26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.



Works don't matter.

Romans 6:23

New International Version (NIV)

23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in[a] Christ Jesus our Lord.

John 3:16

New International Version (NIV)

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Ephesians 2

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Made Alive in Christ

2 As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. 3 All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh[a] and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath. 4 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions —it is by grace you have been saved. 6 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, 7 in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus. 8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith —and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

IT IS BY GRACE WE HAVE BEEN SAVED. NOT OF WORKS. THIS IS SCRIPTURE.

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May 26 2012 07:27am
http://www.catholic-truth.info/apologetics/confess.htm

Here's a writeup that addresses some of the things I saw you post here.

Please explain why the heading for James 2:14-26 is "Faith Without Works Is Dead", if it is not true?

From Jesus' own mouth:
John 8:11 -- New American Standard Bible (NASB)
11 She said, “No one, Lord.” And Jesus said, “ I do not condemn you, either. Go. From now on sin no more.

edit:
Regarding the scripture you quoted, it refers to an unsaved person. When you are saved/baptized, your previous sins are forgiven. These scriptures do not blanket all future sins as well, but are referring to your past sins prior to you coming to Christ. There is plenty of other scripture that makes it clear that you must continue to not sin, and if so, make penance (confession, etc).

Most Christians don't argue that you must continue to confess your sins, but the contention does arise on whether one should confess to man or just directly to God. This is one of the dividing issues in the Church, it's not a new thing.
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May 26 2012 07:40am
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http://www.catholic-truth.info/apologetics/confess.htm

Here's a writeup that addresses some of the things I saw you post here.

Please explain why the heading for James 2:14-26 is "Faith Without Works Is Dead", if it is not true?

From Jesus' own mouth:
John 8:11 -- New American Standard Bible (NASB)
11 She said, “No one, Lord.” And Jesus said, “  I do not condemn you, either. Go. From now on  sin no more.


James 2

10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

Romans 3

New International Version (NIV)

God’s Faithfulness

3 What advantage, then, is there in being a Jew, or what value is there in circumcision? 2 Much in every way! First of all, the Jews have been entrusted with the very words of God.

3 What if some were unfaithful? Will their unfaithfulness nullify God’s faithfulness? 4 Not at all! Let God be true, and every human being a liar. As it is written:

“So that you may be proved right when you speak
and prevail when you judge.”[a]

5 But if our unrighteousness brings out God’s righteousness more clearly, what shall we say? That God is unjust in bringing his wrath on us? (I am using a human argument.) 6 Certainly not! If that were so, how could God judge the world? 7 Someone might argue, “If my falsehood enhances God’s truthfulness and so increases his glory, why am I still condemned as a sinner?” 8 Why not say—as some slanderously claim that we say—“Let us do evil that good may result”? Their condemnation is just!

No One Is Righteous

9 What shall we conclude then? Do we have any advantage? Not at all! For we have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under the power of sin. 10 As it is written:

“There is no one righteous, not even one;
11 there is no one who understands;
there is no one who seeks God.
12 All have turned away,
they have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good,
not even one.”[b]
13 “Their throats are open graves;
their tongues practice deceit.”[c]
“The poison of vipers is on their lips.”[d]
14 “Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness.”[e]
15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16 ruin and misery mark their ways,
17 and the way of peace they do not know.”[f]
18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”[g]

19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. 20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

Righteousness Through Faith

21 But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness is given through faith in[h] Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement,[i] through the shedding of his blood —to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished — 26 he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.

27 Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. Because of what law? The law that requires works? No, because of the law that requires faith. 28 For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, 30 since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. 31 Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.
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