How is "religion" a worldly thing? Saying "I am a Christian, not bound by religion" does not make you sound more spiritual. Which is why I feel people side with this "not religion" garbage. Jesus CREATED the religion that we are a part of. The apostles established CHURCHES and enacted RULES and LEADERS within the church. Are you saying that is not religion? Did they have it wrong and you have it right?

having churches is better than not having.

Free independent groups though should rightfully exist. for example if USA take over world, not good. Or France take over world, not good, etc etc.

Not only that, free military groups specifically should exist. In the case that man decides to disobey God and lose their mind or sense of reality.

World monopoly is a very dangerous concept.

Must always be freedom and a check @ the world level. The wisest must be suspected and encouraged to love their enemy. For their *enemies* are the only thing preventing them from the abyss of no return.

A perfect world would have many countries and very little fighting. A world with humans needs conflict to set things right.

An eye for an eye, threatens leaders enough that they will not drop the bombs of nuclear level.

everything in this topic involves man's opinion and beliefs. Military Control is the end all of this world. Military Control will solve all ur problems.

got lots of money? hire a bodyguard or 2
bully? train martial arts
bad boss? report him and police will drag him from fraud
kungfu wife? 911 and they will drag her to jail
weak kid? send him to the dojo
bad president? he will receive more *letters* from random people
bad police? FBI
bad FBI? Special Ops

Chuch is okay. jesus only people are okay.

lets have both exist and check one another

You saying that Jesus created a religion is just funny.. Lol'd hard there

Jesus didn't create a religion.. He created the universe.

he was the direct cause for Christianity. So he kinda did I think.

God created the universe? Jesus is our savior and our path to god.

and thats why jesus intrusted peter to start his church right? so how can you follow jesus and all his teachings and everything in the bible if you don't have a relgion? im just wondering because they go hand in hand.

sorry but people who are all about jesus only are really not all about jesus. Jesus wants us to spread the word and build our faith in a comunity. That is what church is: a gathering of people who love and follow jesus to expand upon his teachings and love. So yes i do considering church a manditory weekly obligation or you are just fooling yourself that you are all about jesus. If you can't give up a few hours each week to meet with others in faith and worship than how can you say your being a follower of jesus?

Your ignorance made me lol. Just goes to show how uneducated the new wave of Christians are. It's all about "feeling good" rather than understanding.

We have modernized it with rituals and things that have nothing to do with Jesus Christ. I never claimed it did. Churches, rules, leaders (the ones God established) doesn't equal religion. Do you notice you don't find many modern churches that are like the N.T. church?

Instead of holding judgement, hold accountability, Proverbs is a great place to see what our tongue does as well as

James 3:2-12 (NLT)

"2 Indeed, we all make many mistakes. For if we could control our tongues, we would be perfect and could also control ourselves in every other way.

3 We can make a large horse go wherever we want by means of a small bit in its mouth. 4 And a small rudder makes a huge ship turn wherever the pilot chooses to go, even though the winds are strong. 5 In the same way, the tongue is a small thing that makes grand speeches.

But a tiny spark can set a great forest on fire. 6 And the tongue is a flame of fire. It is a whole world of wickedness, corrupting your entire body. It can set your whole life on fire, for it is set on fire by hell itself.

7 People can tame all kinds of animals, birds, reptiles, and fish, 8 but no one can tame the tongue. It is restless and evil, full of deadly poison. 9 Sometimes it praises our Lord and Father, and sometimes it curses those who have been made in the image of God. 10 And so blessing and cursing come pouring out of the same mouth. Surely, my brothers and sisters, this is not right! 11 Does a spring of water bubble out with both fresh water and bitter water? 12 Does a fig tree produce olives, or a grapevine produce figs? No, and you can’t draw fresh water from a salty spring."

We have to stop degrading each other, and lovingly hold people accountable. I will be the first to admit I struggle with this. Anyone who feels I have held judgement instead of lovingly held them accountable I apologize.

Talking theology isn't bad, degrading and condemning each other over beliefs is. If you disagree, lovingly prove your case.

This post was edited by Silenced_Matrix on Apr 22 2012 07:20pm

Don't be quick to throw around the dreaded "judgement" word. I was not judging anyone. The bible is used for correcting and rebuking. By saying Christianity is not a religion is to not have a clear understanding of what a religion is. I agree that when a church (or denomination) cares more about tradition than scripture there is a problem. But to lump all of Christianity into one pot because of a few is an ignorant statement. We are all bound together by one common thread. Jesus. Which makes us part of his religion as well. We take part in the movement that Jesus started each time we praise him and share the good news. Again, Jesus began this religion and passed it onto the apostles to further establish it. Which they did. They created many churches, baptized many converts, and created church leadership to help mature the body. All of which was to spread the good news throughout the world for the ultimate goal of reaching the lost in every corner.

Our "religion" is 2 billion strong. Why do you want to separate yourself from that bond? We are united through Christ which makes us CHRISTIANS. We are not bound by religion, we are bound by the word which established the religion we are a part of.

This post was edited by Dune1 on Apr 22 2012 09:31pm

Different between judging and accountability bro. Calling people ignorant isn't nice "Your ignorance made me lol." (although it doesn't bother me, I don't know it all, am ignorant but what I have learnt I share and allow the Holy Spirit to guide me) The 2 billion strong, like Jesus said, Matthew 7:22-24 (NLT) "22 On judgment day many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.’ 23 But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God’s laws.’"
Religion to me is man made. I have no problem saying I partially agree with the definition from dictionary.com "The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power" but that isn't specific enough for me, there is only one superhuman controlling power. Our heart speaks our view. I'll let my heart and God justify my beliefs. God Bless bro, you bring up good points, and I agree with you for the most part. I don't care if you consider yourself religious or not, if you believe Jesus Christ is the ONLY way to Heaven I am happy.

This post was edited by Silenced_Matrix on Apr 22 2012 10:29pm