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Mar 18 2012 11:11am
Quote (njaguar @ Mar 18 2012 08:47am)
Sorry, but this is not true at all. These statements will cause others to sin directly and indirectly. Below they are addressed sentence by sentence.

1) Very bad guideline. As you will see from #2, this is a very bad gauge for morality. You cannot define your own morality and be true to God's word.
2) Watching porn is wrong, no matter if your spouse agrees or is into it or not. Watching porn creates a lust and sexual excitement that doesn't originate with your spouse. Sure, you may "use" your spouse as an outlet for that sexual excitement, but you still lusted after someone else in order to get to that point. Lust for your spouse is 100% acceptable, but not for another person, even if it's on a screen or in a magazine, or whatever, which makes porn absolutely not okay. If you claim you're not lusting after the porn star(s), then you're lying, because otherwise you wouldn't need that porn in the first place, as your spouse would be enough and all you need.
3) Again, this relates back to #1. If you are a Christian, you should be grounded in Scripture, and what is right by God, not trying to create your own moral compass.


ghc is doing a very good thing by going to this class at his Church, it should give him and his wife a good foundation for their marriage in Christ.


I agreed time and time again he's doing a good thing :)

Although all I said, was clearly outlined that it was all in my opinion. I'm not ridiculing or saying anything directly wrong about his actions.
I wont go against your words, because you clearly stated: "If you are a Christian..." I do believe in God, and thats about all I should say, more would be judged by many as blasphemy.
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Mar 18 2012 11:31am
Quote (njaguar @ Mar 18 2012 05:47am)
Sorry, but this is not true at all. These statements will cause others to sin directly and indirectly. Below they are addressed sentence by sentence.

1) Very bad guideline. As you will see from #2, this is a very bad gauge for morality. You cannot define your own morality and be true to God's word.
2) Watching porn is wrong, no matter if your spouse agrees or is into it or not. Watching porn creates a lust and sexual excitement that doesn't originate with your spouse. Sure, you may "use" your spouse as an outlet for that sexual excitement, but you still lusted after someone else in order to get to that point. Lust for your spouse is 100% acceptable, but not for another person, even if it's on a screen or in a magazine, or whatever, which makes porn absolutely not okay. If you claim you're not lusting after the porn star(s), then you're lying, because otherwise you wouldn't need that porn in the first place, as your spouse would be enough and all you need.
3) Again, this relates back to #1. If you are a Christian, you should be grounded in Scripture, and what is right by God, not trying to create your own moral compass.


ghc is doing a very good thing by going to this class at his Church, it should give him and his wife a good foundation for their marriage in Christ.


Really well and clearly said. In the discernment of the holy spirit, this is the absolute truth.

I would have liked to communicate the same thing, but you said it so well.
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Mar 18 2012 03:10pm
Quote (James84 @ 18 Mar 2012 12:11)
I agreed time and time again he's doing a good thing :)

Although all I said, was clearly outlined that it was all in my opinion. I'm not ridiculing or saying anything directly wrong about his actions.
I wont go against your words, because you clearly stated: "If you are a Christian..." I do believe in God, and thats about all I should say, more would be judged by many as blasphemy.


Christians are supposed to judge each other (that is, other Christians) concerning things of blasphemy, in fact, that is the only time we are authorized to do so. Check out 1 Corinthians, chapter 6. It covers this and the issue of sexual immorality. I'm sorry, but you are spreading blasphemy in this regard to saying that pornography is okay or acceptable. It is not.
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Mar 18 2012 03:36pm
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Christians are supposed to judge each other (that is, other Christians) concerning things of blasphemy, in fact, that is the only time we are authorized to do so. Check out 1 Corinthians, chapter 6. It covers this and the issue of sexual immorality. I'm sorry, but you are spreading blasphemy in this regard to saying that pornography is okay or acceptable. It is not.


Hence my choice to stay silent and not even bother to speak out about it any further. All I did was give an opinion, and now being called something wich I was already prepared for ;)

I truely understand all your beliefs and the reasons behind it, every single one of them. I respect them all, it is my nature to accept everyone and love them all equally for anything and everything they do.

I had said, before, I could go on and on. By doing so, would strike awe and so much more.

I'll admit, it is my fault for concerning myself in a forum based for as I know understand "Christians Only", and if any believer in God has a different way of expressing themselves, is called as I said before, "blasphemer".
Yet again, I feel you and will simple say, you're correct and I'm just "different", but still overjoyed about this whole experience we had :)

e - Anything else can be sent to my PM box, wont come back to this topic. Have a splendid day!!! :D

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Quote (njaguar @ Mar 18 2012 02:47pm)
Sorry, but this is not true at all. These statements will cause others to sin directly and indirectly. Below they are addressed sentence by sentence.

1) Very bad guideline. As you will see from #2, this is a very bad gauge for morality. You cannot define your own morality and be true to God's word.
2) Watching porn is wrong, no matter if your spouse agrees or is into it or not. Watching porn creates a lust and sexual excitement that doesn't originate with your spouse. Sure, you may "use" your spouse as an outlet for that sexual excitement, but you still lusted after someone else in order to get to that point. Lust for your spouse is 100% acceptable, but not for another person, even if it's on a screen or in a magazine, or whatever, which makes porn absolutely not okay. If you claim you're not lusting after the porn star(s), then you're lying, because otherwise you wouldn't need that porn in the first place, as your spouse would be enough and all you need.
3) Again, this relates back to #1. If you are a Christian, you should be grounded in Scripture, and what is right by God, not trying to create your own moral compass.


ghc is doing a very good thing by going to this class at his Church, it should give him and his wife a good foundation for their marriage in Christ.


I agree with Porn.
I dont agree with Church class... Tell me how its possible that Man (prist) can talk about something he has no idea? He will never get married so how can he give advise about it? Prist can only advise u about religion Not about marrieg. Those classes are most stupid idea that i know :) I could hear advise from someone who tried something in his life not from someone who heard something and thinks that he knows it :D

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I agree with Porn.
I dont agree with Church class... Tell me how its possible that Man (prist) can talk about something he has no idea? He will never get married so how can he give advise about it? Prist can only advise u about religion Not about marrieg. Those classes are most stupid idea that i know :) I could hear advise from someone who tried something in his life not from someone who heard something and thinks that he knows it :D


Not all priests are celibate. The term priest often is another word to refer to a clergyman, that is, any person within the church that holds a position of authority. ghc also did not say he was a Catholic, so this type of hierarchy may not even apply to him at all.
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Keep it up. By doing this you're saving your relationship and strengthening your love.
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Mar 18 2012 08:51pm
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Not all priests are celibate. The term priest often is another word to refer to a clergyman, that is, any person within the church that holds a position of authority. ghc also did not say he was a Catholic, so this type of hierarchy may not even apply to him at all.



Not all but Catholic Priests (Vatican Catholics) needs to live in celibate and in my opinion its rly stupid that person like this gives u advise about marrieg. I know that in many countries u cant take catholic wedding if ur not gonna go to the marrage class in church. Also i know that priests give those lessons not some special people ment to it. Anyway its all about money :) In my country if u want to take wedding u need to pay something but when u ask whats something u will hear that something but not lower then 200$.

I belive in God but Church is right now mostly a Company making huge money then something which it should be.

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Not all but Catholic Priests (Vatican Catholics) needs to live in celibate and in my opinion its rly stupid that person like this gives u advise about marrieg. I know that in many countries u cant take catholic wedding if ur not gonna go to the marrage class in church. Also i know that priests give those lessons not some special people ment to it. Anyway its all about money :) In my country if u want to take wedding u need to pay something but when u ask whats something u will hear that something but not lower then 200$.

I belive in God but Church is right now mostly a Company making huge money then something which it should be.


All the churches I know of give these classes for free (among many others). That's not to say some don't charge, but it's generally a bad idea to make assumptions like this and label the entire church with one giant rubber stamp.
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Quote (njaguar @ Mar 18 2012 08:47am)
Sorry, but this is not true at all. These statements will cause others to sin directly and indirectly. Below they are addressed sentence by sentence.

1) Very bad guideline. As you will see from #2, this is a very bad gauge for morality. You cannot define your own morality and be true to God's word.
2) Watching porn is wrong, no matter if your spouse agrees or is into it or not. Watching porn creates a lust and sexual excitement that doesn't originate with your spouse. Sure, you may "use" your spouse as an outlet for that sexual excitement, but you still lusted after someone else in order to get to that point. Lust for your spouse is 100% acceptable, but not for another person, even if it's on a screen or in a magazine, or whatever, which makes porn absolutely not okay. If you claim you're not lusting after the porn star(s), then you're lying, because otherwise you wouldn't need that porn in the first place, as your spouse would be enough and all you need.
3) Again, this relates back to #1. If you are a Christian, you should be grounded in Scripture, and what is right by God, not trying to create your own moral compass.


ghc is doing a very good thing by going to this class at his Church, it should give him and his wife a good foundation for their marriage in Christ.


Amen! What James said about doing about you love (living in your sins) does not align with the Word of God.

Also

"Judgement vs Accountability"

This is an article taken from - http://www.projectinspired.com/the-difference-between-judging-and-hold-people-accountable/
I did not write this but I think it needs to be discussed because most "backslidden" or fallen Christians (or even the unsaved) want to tell you how only God can judge them.
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"Some people think that being a Christian means that you can’t hold others accountable for their inappropriate behavior. When a person is corrected based upon God’s Word, s(he)’ll sometimes say that you’re “judging” him/her. Well, that’s not completely true! Yes, The Bible does say “do not judge” (Luke 6:37) and “do not condemn” (Luke 6:37), however, God also tells us:

“All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness.” (2 Timothy 3:16)

This means that you should be a leader for God by holding other people accountable for their behavior. However, you should always approach situations in a loving manner because God instructs us to “do everything in love” (1 Corinthians 16:14.)

Holding others accountable doesn’t mean being overly critical or demeaning, it simply means to provide guidance and instruction with the intention of correcting behavior.Judgment means ‘to condemn’ and accountability means ‘to correct’. So it’s possible, and even appropriate, to hold others accountable for their behavior WITHOUT judging them!

Also, always remember to use judgment when confronting other people. If the situation is too “big” or too dangerous for you to handle alone, be sure to seek help from a trusted adult immediately! God puts people and resources in your life for a reason so be sure to ask for help if the need arises.

What are some examples of when you should hold other people responsible for their behavior?
If someone is teasing, bullying or being mean to you or others.
When someone takes something without permission.
If someone is cheating on a test or being dishonest.
When something just seems plain wrong, especially if it’s negatively impacting others.
Remember, it’s possible to hold people accountable for their behavior without judging them. What have your experiences been like with ‘holding people accountable’?"

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