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Feb 15 2012 08:14am
This is completely off-subject, but do
you listen to the Christian Hardcore/Metalcore band
named Creations?
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Quote (the_rest @ 14 Feb 2012 18:24)
I dispise people that wear normal crosses just as much!

even a 'right' cross is a stupid simbol, I think Jesus should be remembered by his teachings, not by his sufferings on the cross. (so the church tells us that his death on the cross is the most important - cause he saved us from our sins etc - thats just the usual church bullshit I guess.)

and there is no such thing as holy cross, nor unholy cross, it's just metal or wood anyway.


I'm sorry, but you're wrong. The cross represents Jesus conquering death and being resurrected. Satan, through those that persecuted Jesus, thought it was their time of greatest victory, to slay the Son of God, but it turned out to be God's greatest victory (by design and prophecy). His death and resurrection is the foundation towards Him dying for our sins so that we don't have to. The cross represents this.

What did Jesus teach while he was on the Earth? Why, he taught what was in the Old Testament, what man was supposed to already know, and be following. The OT is full of disobedience, as much then, as there is today. Jesus came to fulfill the old scriptures, and a key part of this was his death and resurrection. In fact, this is rather a cornerstone of Christianity. John 3:16 sums it up nicely. Man is fallen, and without the redemption Jesus offers, none of us can hope to be righteous enough by our own deeds and actions.

The point of this topic is that symbols are not necessarily bad. It is what is meant by their usage that matters. It doesn't matter if you're an OG thug or a minister, if you believe that Jesus died for your sins, you have every right to wear the cross.
Romans 1:16 > I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile.

There are many verses along this line, do not be ashamed for what you believe. Be bold, and do not be afraid.
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Quote (iPlugHoles @ 15 Feb 2012 08:14)
This is completely off-subject, but do
you listen to the Christian Hardcore/Metalcore band
named Creations?


sure as heck do! :blush:

Quote (njaguar @ 15 Feb 2012 09:22)
I'm sorry, but you're wrong. The cross represents Jesus conquering death and being resurrected. Satan, through those that persecuted Jesus, thought it was their time of greatest victory, to slay the Son of God, but it turned out to be God's greatest victory (by design and prophecy). His death and resurrection is the foundation towards Him dying for our sins so that we don't have to. The cross represents this.

What did Jesus teach while he was on the Earth? Why, he taught what was in the Old Testament, what man was supposed to already know, and be following. The OT is full of disobedience, as much then, as there is today. Jesus came to fulfill the old scriptures, and a key part of this was his death and resurrection. In fact, this is rather a cornerstone of Christianity. John 3:16 sums it up nicely. Man is fallen, and without the redemption Jesus offers, none of us can hope to be righteous enough by our own deeds and actions.

The point of this topic is that symbols are not necessarily bad. It is what is meant by their usage that matters. It doesn't matter if you're an OG thug or a minister, if you believe that Jesus died for your sins, you have every right to wear the cross.
Romans 1:16 > I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile.

There are many verses along this line, do not be ashamed for what you believe. Be bold, and do not be afraid.



Good stuff. Scripture says that Christ didn't come to do away with the law, but to fulfill it.
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Feb 15 2012 10:43am
not sure if i agree with njaguar about the OG PART, cause I can think of people right now that do it (On the tv jersey short) some of the people have the crosses and go out and drink/party and bring girls home and that is just bad examples, but then njaguar has another point that I do agree with, that we shouldn't really judge them because if that's what they want to do, let em? God will judge not us.. so I guess I do kind of agree with him, but I think it's just sad that I see those people wearing the cross and representing such adultery.

Point I am trying to make is, I'd rather see a athlete like a MLB Player, or somone wearing the cross and showing humble/respect, rather then lil wayne or somone that abuses the cross (explained above)

(But then again who I am to say who is abusing it?) but I as a Human do know cussing and wearing a Cross and making swear word songs is bad, lol as in compared to a ATHLETE or somone that doesn't do any of that for that matter (As seen publicly) (who knows about them spiritually only God)

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Quote (HighschoolTurd @ 15 Feb 2012 10:43)
not sure if i agree with njaguar about the OG PART, cause I can think of people right now that do it (On the tv jersey short) some of the people have the crosses and go out and drink/party and bring girls home and that is just bad examples, but then njaguar has another point that I do agree with, that we shouldn't really judge them because if that's what they want to do, let em? God will judge not us.. so I guess I do kind of agree with him, but I think it's just sad that I see those people wearing the cross and representing such adultery.

Point I am trying to make is, I'd rather see a athlete like a MLB Player, or somone wearing the cross and showing humble/respect, rather then lil wayne or somone that abuses the cross (explained above)

(But then again who I am to say who is abusing it?)  but I as a Human do know cussing and wearing a Cross and making swear word songs is bad, lol as in compared to a ATHLETE or somone that doesn't do any of that for that matter (As seen publicly)  (who knows about them spiritually only God)



As believers, we abuse and often exploit salvation and grace daily. This is why when you read in Philippians, Paul discredits everything he has EVER done so he can say that it is all Jesus. Ultimately, we are not made right with God by what we wear, or what we do. We are made right by claiming the one who is unashamed to claim us.
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The Resurrection is the focal point of Jesus' coming to this planet.
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As believers, we abuse and often exploit salvation and grace daily. This is why when you read in Philippians, Paul discredits everything he has EVER done so he can say that it is all Jesus. Ultimately, we are not made right with God by what we wear, or what we do. We are made right by claiming the one who is unashamed to claim us.


Yes but I don't abuse it in a way that Lil wayne (As a example) and alot of others do.

Read “Be imitators of God, therefore, as dearly loved children and live a life of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.”~Ephesians 5:1-2

this verse specifically applies to what we are talking about, i believe that making dirty song lyrics and releasing them to the public and talking about derogatory terms in nearly every song he makes and derogatory terms about women/etc, is against this verse specifically and I believe it's wrong to wear the cross if he continues to make that kind of lyrics for the world. This is just what I think though, but I know you guys will probably disagree to a extent, but I believe there should be a limit on what you can or cannot DO While wearing a cross to represent Jesus Christ and unfortunately I believe (my opinion) lil wayne is not one of them.

Edit: This is not even about lil wayne specifically, it's about anyone...

Let me know what you think though =]

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At the end of the day, we all sin.
We all make mistakes; even Lil Wayne and OG
Thugs we are no better than they are. We all have
our faults.

God accepts this, but we need to accept Him.
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At the end of the day, we all sin.
We all make mistakes; even Lil Wayne and OG
Thugs we are no better than they are. We all have
our faults.

God accepts this, but we need to accept Him.


This is where I think different, I don't believe it's a Mistake. I believe he knows what he's doing and he thinks it's Okay, which it is NOT. (That is what I am trying to argue) He is an adult and he knows.. but he continues to misrepresent

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We can recognize our sins, that doesn't make it okay or not okay.
They're sins, they're faults, they're mistakes; even if we are aware of them.
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