Wowzers, even though God joins "repent and baptism" together as being required for remission of sin you still deny it? It amazes me why people deny God's word and believe what others tell them. All I can do is quote what God says. Either you choose to believe or not.

Read this verse form Mark 16:16

The Universalist says: "he that believeth not and is not baptized shall be saved." All are going to be saved whether they are baptized or not.

The Roman Catholic says: "He that believeth not and is baptized shall be saved." Whether it be a newborn baby or an adult at the point of death. The "sacrament" of baptism has validity to take away sins.

The Protestant says: "He that believeth and is not baptized shall be saved." Salvation is by faith only, without baptism or anything else.

The LORD said: "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved."

Which "versions" should we accept?

You have to remember, this guy is a member of a church that basically says no one is saved unless they are a part of their specific denominational church. The "church of christ".

Its a decieving name, because we're all members of the church of christ or the body of christ if we're saved, but they have made it into a building and basically claim that unless you do everything religiously as they do, you can't be saved.

I'm not attacking you, kissofdeath, but I have read up on this "churchofchrist" denomination. I'm sure there are some saved people in there, however, its Jesus that saves, not religion.

This post was edited by Torm1 on Aug 14 2011 11:50am

Torm, being born again, getting "into" Christ and water baptism go hand in hand. Let me tell you what God says about this. Please don't take my word for it, check it out for yourself.

Jesus told the apostles, "go ye into all the wold, and preach the gospel to the whole creaion. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that disbelieveth shall be condemned" (Mark 16:16). Why do men argue with God is beyond me, but they do. They many who claim that baptism is not necessary in order to be saved need to tell it to God on judgement day because God is the one who said it. All of man's arguements cannot "reason" it away.

None can question that baptism is clearly taught in the Bible. But what is its purpose? Note Mark 16:16, "he that believeth and is baptized shal be saved." That's pretty clear and straightforward isn't is? Look at what the Lord taught in Acts 2:38, "Repent ye and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ unto the remission of your sins." There is just no question about that purpose! In Acts 22:16, the Lord sent Ananias to Saul to tell him what to do, and why: "Why tarriest though? Arise and be baptized, and wash away thy sins." Saul still had sins that made him guilty before God, so he needed to be baptized to have the blood of Chrsit wash away those sins. The apostle Peter wrote later that "baptism doth also now save us" (1 Peter 3:21). And we read in Romans 6:3-6, "Or are ye ignorant that all we who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him through baptism unto death: that like as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we also might walk in newness of life. For if we have become united with him in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection; knowing this, that our old man was crucified with him, that the body of sin might be done away, that so we should no longer be in bondage to sin." Do you believe in the death of Christ as the means of our salvation from sin? Then on what basis can that "baptism into his death" be declared as unnecessary? And note that we are baptized "into Christ." Now ask yourself, can one be saved outside of Christ? But the Lord shows that baptism is the action that brings us INTO Christ.

And remember this, your arguement is not with me, tell it to Jesus. Can you stand before Him in judgment and say, "Yes, Lord, I studied your word, I read about the purpose of baptism, but please excuse me. I didn't think it was really necessary." You can tell it to Jesus when the time comes?

Do you believe that one can "lose their salvation" too?

God says you can.

No he doesn't

The Church of latter day saint's ideas are kind of contradictory,

Its like saying, oops, i lost my salvation, I better go get baptised in water again so I can be saved...

No.

Jesus said: "Those who departed from us were never of us in the first place."

You get saved Once, and its permanent. If you say you became unsaved, you never were saved in the first place. God doesn't start a work he won't finish, and thats the gospel truth!

Anyone can say they're saved, but if they truly are, they're changed forever.

"If anyone is in Christ, he is a NEW creation, the OLD HAS GONE, and the NEW HAS COME."

This post was edited by Torm1 on Aug 14 2011 12:51pm

Torm, let us not try to change the subject at hand so quickly. Did you now see how one gets INTO Christ? Do you now understand the need, reason and requirement for baptism for the remission/forgiveness of sin? Let us put this topic to rest first and then we can address loosing our salvation.

What's the point of a christian trying to prove they are saved. there is no point to it

Have a happy walk with Jesus and know how u are affecting others.

When judgement comes, this person stands by his life and and asks Jesus to wash his imperfect ness

A Dark heart is a Dark Heart

Torm,

I guess we are done with how one gets "into" Christ. Now, regarding a once saved person loosing their salvation... tell me how you interpret the following verse.

Ezekiel 18:24

New King James Version (NKJV)
24 “But when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and does according to all the abominations that the wicked man does, shall he live? All the righteousness which he has done shall not be remembered; because of the unfaithfulness of which he is guilty and the sin which he has committed, because of them he shall die.


Hebrews 3:12-14

New King James Version (NKJV)
12 Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God; 13 but exhort one another daily, while it is called “Today,” lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. 14 For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end,


Hebrews 10:26-29

New King James Version (NKJV)
26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?

Torm, can you explain to me how you interpret these verses and still come to the conclussion a person was not saved in the first place?

There are many other important passages to consider. Some of these are: Gal. 5:1-4; Heb. 3:7-4:11; 12:13-14; 1 Cor. 15:1-2, etc. There are really too many to list. The whole New Testament is full of warnings and exhortations to remain faithful. What good are they if, after we are saved, we cannot turn away from God and lose our salvation?