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Jun 5 2011 08:14pm
Quote (Torm1 @ Jun 4 2011 06:52pm)
Do you worship man (The beast) puffed up in the pride of the self and man's ways?

Or do you worship God?


You can't just call it "man's ways" ..
We're not all selfish, greedy, careless assholes.

There are good people in the world, not all of them religious ..

That being said, I'll agree with you 100% that "man" can be terrible at times .. but why does religion always assume non-believers to be sinners?
Just because our morals aren't in a book doesn't mean that they don't exist.
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Jun 5 2011 09:16pm
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You can't just call it "man's ways" ..
We're not all selfish, greedy, careless assholes.

There are good people in the world, not all of them religious ..

That being said, I'll agree with you 100% that "man" can be terrible at times ..  but why does religion always assume non-believers to be sinners?
Just because our morals aren't in a book doesn't mean that they don't exist.


all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of god
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Jun 6 2011 02:30pm
Quote (UncleMuscles @ Jun 5 2011 11:16pm)
all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of god


That's another thing that kind of annoys me about Christianity and Islam in particular. It makes it a practice to degrade all of its people by calling them sinners. We wouldn't be sinners if God didn't make us this way.

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Quote (Thandrend @ 6 Jun 2011 15:30)
That's another thing that kind of annoys me about Christianity and Islam in particular.  It makes it a practice to degrade all of its people by calling them sinners.  We wouldn't be sinners if God didn't make us this way.


You're right, we'd be mindless robots.
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Quote (njaguar @ 6 Jun 2011 16:01)
You're right, we'd be mindless robots.


Paul, I'm sorry but that comparison or view just is way off into another tangent. While I accept religion and others beliefs, I do not have a strong faith for myself. I do not consider myself to be a sinner, and if there is a hell I do not believe I will end up there.

This is my belief, just as you have your own.
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Paul, I'm sorry but that comparison or view just is way off into another tangent. While I accept religion and others beliefs, I do not have a strong faith for myself. I do not consider myself to be a sinner, and if there is a hell I do not believe I will end up there.

This is my belief, just as you have your own.


Unfortunately, you are not the judge, God is. It is not by your standards you are judged, but by His.
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Quote (Torm1 @ Jun 4 2011 02:14pm)
A personal relationship in Him, and the hope of the ressurrection.

The desire to serve him, and to have others experience & taste of the bread of life. To drink from living waters.

He is just so amazing, that its an honor to serve him everyday.

When he comes back, I'm happy to say that I'm on his side, rather than wicked man's.


im sry but this sounds too cheesy for me to buy. i was hoping for someone to give a real reason that i might be able to relate to.
currently im unsure about my beliefs. i go to church almost every week, and well i just cant figure out what a believe.
I figure its ok though because im still young and i have plenty of time to figure things out like what i believe in.
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im sry but this sounds too cheesy for me to buy. i was hoping for someone to give a real reason that i might be able to relate to.
currently im unsure about my beliefs. i go to church almost every week, and well i just cant figure out what a believe.
I figure its ok though because im still young and i have plenty of time to figure things out like what i believe in.


A good starting point would be to sit down and write down some questions you have, then talking to your pastor about it. Additionally, you may want to read some books on Christian Apologetics or watch some videos/seminars about this topic.
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Jun 6 2011 09:08pm
faith is believing in what you know aint so.

The bible itself doesnt make any sense. e.g. Dino's

now your thinking huh? Dino's? well if god created human kind, nature, etc all within the 7 day period. how is it that humans didnt exist "MILLIONS" of years ago.??
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Quote (Ouija @ 6 Jun 2011 20:08)
faith is believing in what you know aint so.

The bible itself doesnt make any sense. e.g. Dino's

now your thinking huh? Dino's? well if god created human kind, nature, etc all within the 7 day period. how is it that humans didnt exist "MILLIONS" of years ago.??


I don't see your point, dude.

Quote (Thandrend @ 6 Jun 2011 13:30)
That's another thing that kind of annoys me about Christianity and Islam in particular.  It makes it a practice to degrade all of its people by calling them sinners.  We wouldn't be sinners if God didn't make us this way.


Quote (njaguar @ 6 Jun 2011 14:01)
You're right, we'd be mindless robots.


Paul's point is that God made us with freedom of choice. The only other way to create us would be to force us to His will like robots. Some people forget or try to deny that if God exists then everyone has to answer to Him, and in God's eyes we have all done wrong. Everyone will at one time choose their way over God's way. Even Christians do it. Christians acknowledge that God's way is best, however, and they try to let God be in control of their lives. We all fail, and that's why we need the grace of God to save us from judgement. The way I see it, if you aren't an atheist but you don't follow Jesus then you might as well be an atheist. To deny the power of Jesus or the Holy Spirit is to deny God entirely.

This post was edited by nate86 on Jun 7 2011 02:01am
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