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May 26 2011 11:39am
Quote (acentown @ 26 May 2011 10:21)
Pascal's principle is actually a mathematical reason to believe in god.  It draws out 4 possibilities:
1) god exists and you believe in him.
2)god exists and you do not believe in him.
3)god does not exist and you believe in him.
4)god does not exist and you do not believe in him.

What this principle actually does is show that the only choice that ends with eternal pleasure is to believe in god.
If you are interested in more about this principle pm me as I don't feel like writing an essay here lol.


What?
Is this a different Pascal?

Anyway, what exactly do you mean that your OCD was centered around Christianity? I want to make sure I understand that before I say anything else.
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May 26 2011 11:49am
Quote (Boogersnot308 @ May 26 2011 11:39am)
What?
Is this a different Pascal?



I am refering to Blaise Pascal
Under each of the 4 conditions one should list the pros and cons.
The point is that the only one which ends with a person getting into heaven is the first I posted.
the others will lead to hell or worm food; so it is a systematic way to prove that a person should believe in god.
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May 26 2011 11:57am
Quote (acentown @ 26 May 2011 10:49)
I am refering to Blaise Pascal
Under each of the 4 conditions one should list the pros and cons.
The point is that the only one which ends with a person getting into heaven is the first I posted.
the others will lead to hell or worm food; so it is a systematic way to prove that a person should believe in god.


When I die, I'll let you know where I go.
By the way, Pascal's Principle has to do with fluid-pressure, not sure what that has to do with God.

This post was edited by Boogersnot308 on May 26 2011 11:58am
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May 26 2011 12:02pm
Quote (Boogersnot308 @ May 26 2011 11:57am)
When I die, I'll let you know where I go.
By the way, Pascal's Principle has to do with fluid-pressure, not sure what that has to do with God.



He was also a philosopher as many men of science were back then. He was attempting to apply his knowledge of calculus to his religious beliefs.
and I am agnostic so I don't put much faith in his logic; however it is one of the most logical reasons I have seen to believe in god.
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May 26 2011 03:23pm
Quote (acentown @ May 26 2011 11:21am)
Pascal's principle is actually a mathematical reason to believe in god.  It draws out 4 possibilities:
1) god exists and you believe in him.
2)god exists and you do not believe in him.
3)god does not exist and you believe in him.
4)god does not exist and you do not believe in him.

What this principle actually does is show that the only choice that ends with eternal pleasure is to believe in god.
If you are interested in more about this principle pm me as I don't feel like writing an essay here lol.


Unfortunately, pascal divides infinity by infinity in his calculations, making it about as valid as the 'proofs' that 2 = 1
And its called "pascal's wager"

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Well, if someone will humble themselves and look, and be open to the truth, there is evidence too. Just need to know where to look & how to look at it.


There's......there's just too much evidence out there that God doesn't exist. But as said, it's hard to believe there isn't...
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May 26 2011 07:17pm
I grew up my whole life in a " christian " family. Loved it.

and I knew from a young age, that i was going to heaven. i accepted Jesus into my heart a long time ago.

No need to fear hell, when you have Jesus!
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May 27 2011 07:19am
I am going to try to explain my story in short. I was almost the same as you.

When i was 12 i thought i had "been saved." Now at 23, Last July i was having real trouble falling asleep at night. I laid and thought to myself and worried myself sick of what happened after death. I honestly couldn't tell you if i was bound for heaven or hell. Little did i know that our lord was working on me daily. He was with me and i didn't even know it. One afternoon i had to leave work it was so bad. When i got home no one was here. I fell to the floor in my living room and had the weirdest feeling i have ever experienced. That day i accepted the lord in my heart. It felt like i pushed 10 ton off my chest. Almost felt like i was a feather weight. Almost weightless. You can do this anywhere brother, you don't have to be necessarily in a church or at a religious seminar.You will know when the time is right. He will never put to much on your plate that he doesn't think you can handle. Praying for you!

Long story short, after that day, i have no doubt if i die today, i will be rejoicing with Jesus Christ for eternity.

This post was edited by Recon2k4 on May 27 2011 07:19am
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May 30 2011 12:15pm
one question that has absoluetly nothing to do with the topic but i wanna now anyway, doesnt your christian conscience twing when you play "diablo"? :D
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Quote (Recon2k4 @ May 27 2011 08:19am)
I am going to try to explain my story in short. I was almost the same as you.

When i was 12 i thought i had "been saved." Now at 23, Last July i was having real trouble falling asleep at night. I laid and thought to myself and worried myself sick of what happened after death. I honestly couldn't tell you if i was bound for heaven or hell. Little did i know that our lord was working on me daily. He was with me and i didn't even know it. One afternoon i had to leave work it was so bad. When i got home no one was here. I fell to the floor in my living room and had the weirdest feeling i have ever experienced. That day i accepted the lord in my heart. It felt like i pushed 10 ton off my chest. Almost felt like i was a feather weight. Almost weightless. You can do this anywhere brother, you don't have to be necessarily in a church or at a religious seminar.You will know when the time is right. He will never put to much on your plate that he doesn't think you can handle. Praying for you!

Long story short, after that day, i have no doubt if i die today, i will be rejoicing with Jesus Christ for eternity.


The problem is, anecdotal (however you spell it) evidence means little in something like this. A similar thing happened to me (I had the same euphoric feeling), but then my doubting returned again about a week later. It started interrupting school, hence the prozac. Which worked, by the way, it gave me a "meh who cares" attitude. Now that I'm more mature (24 vs 13-15), I figured it was worth some more thought.

Anyways, I received a great PM from someone about this topic, and I'd like to post our conversation here if he gives me permission.
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