He's Jesus and HE makes the rules

Oh you misunderstood me. I wasn't implying that I was going to now be a criminal. I was saying that some people think that you need to EARN your way into Heaven. Well here is now an example of somebody who repented and Jesus told him that he'd be in Heaven with him.

I was saying I'm going to point this out to those who think that you need to work your way into Heaven.

ah ok, sorry about that.

How does God give us a "new nature"? Is this like being "born again"? How are we born again? Please use scripture if possible.

"If anyone is in Christ, he is a New Creation. The old has gone, and the new has come."

And many many more...

But coupled with the scriptures is the fact of it happening in ourselves and other believers, bearing the ultimate witness, by the holy spirit.

2 Christians on opposite sides of the world will come to the same conclusions, and when they meet, will have 1 mind. This is because of the Holy Spirit.

This post was edited by Torm1 on May 5 2011 01:31pm

"Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels" (Matthew 25:41)

Angels that have fallen cannot be saved.

Well said, but how do we get "in Christ"?

Here is the answer,

Galatians 3:27 (New King James Version)

27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ

Some say, "Baptism cannot save anyone." But the apostle Peter wrote of the salvation of Noah in the ark,

1 Peter 3:19-21 (New King James Version)

19 by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water. 21 There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,


That forever answers the argument that baptism doesn't save. The Bible says that it does.

How did the thief on the cross get saved? Obviously he wasn't able to do the "work" of water baptism, right?

Was it by grace or by works that he was saved?

This post was edited by Torm1 on May 5 2011 09:45pm