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Apr 16 2011 01:24am
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I don't believe everything that the Bible says is meant to be taken literally. Are you a Young Earth Creationist, i.e. do you believe that Earth is 6000 years old (contrary to radioactive dating that proves the earth is ~4.6 billion years old)? If you agree with demonstrable scientific fact, then you don't take everything in the Bible literally either.


Yeah i take it as facts that we just cant understand. And i also dont believe the earth is 6000 years old i just believe they used a difrent time system as us.

I.E. A blink of an eye is like 1000 years on earth. Ya know?
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Apr 16 2011 01:32am
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Yeah i take it as facts that we just cant understand. And i also dont believe the earth is 6000 years old i just believe they used a difrent time system as us.

I.E. A blink of an eye is like 1000 years on earth. Ya know?

Are you referring to 2 Peter 3:8?

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But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

Because to me, that verse speaks more to the idea that God is atemporal, i.e. God is not constrained by the bounds of time like we are. And because it was written several thousand years after Genesis, it would not be able to be applied retroactively to the verses written by Moses. The Israelites who first received the Torah did not have that verse available to them (obviously) and so since God's message is supposed to be perfect and unchanging, then what was true in the days of Moses must also be true now.

So, since you are choosing to not take the Creation story at its word-for-word translation, then you're not taking the Bible literally at least some of the time.
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Apr 17 2011 02:43pm
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I don't believe everything that the Bible says is meant to be taken literally. Are you a Young Earth Creationist, i.e. do you believe that Earth is 6000 years old (contrary to radioactive dating that proves the earth is ~4.6 billion years old)? If you agree with demonstrable scientific fact, then you don't take everything in the Bible literally either.


God made Adam with age, God made the Earth with age.
Not so hard for him.
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Apr 17 2011 03:32pm
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God made Adam with age, God made the Earth with age.
Not so hard for him.

That's a cop-out if I've ever seen one.
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Apr 17 2011 03:51pm
Who cares brethren! You will see them when you die or before if you're lucky
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I also dont think everything in the Bible is meant to be taken literally, I think alot of it we have to figure out ourself. The Bible was made for people to want to read, think and understand it as much as we as humans can. I also dont believe anything in th Bible is wrong, people argue that since people wrote it some can be wrong. But i ask myself, would God choose a liar to write/translate the Bible in the first place?
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Apr 17 2011 06:04pm
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I also dont think everything in the Bible is meant to be taken literally, I think alot of it we have to figure out ourself. The Bible was made for people to want to read, think and understand it as much as we as humans can. I also dont believe anything in th Bible is wrong, people argue that since people wrote it some can be wrong. But i ask myself, would God choose a liar to write/translate the Bible in the first place?




No a liar would choose himself to make up lies.

God doesn't factor into it.
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Apr 17 2011 09:01pm
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That's a cop-out if I've ever seen one.


that is not a cop out its logic.
God created Adam as a man, God created animals with age, God created trees with age, the list goes on.
what makes you believe he did not create the Earth with age?
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Apr 17 2011 11:01pm
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that is not a cop out its logic.
God created Adam as a man, God created animals with age, God created trees with age, the list goes on.
what makes you believe he did not create the Earth with age?

They weren't created with Age, they were created full-form (not the same thing). And that's only if you believe the two Creation stories are to be taken literally. Rather, the first (Genesis 1) is meant to speak to the nature of God. That is, it specifically says the things God is NOT (not the Sun, not the Moon, not any plant or animal, not any man). This was to differentiate itself from other pre-existing religions that focused on Sun worship etc. The second (Genesis 2) is to begin to explain that God has a code He wants people to follow, and that because we fall short of this code, we are physically separated from God (which is why we can't find "proof" of Him).

And even if things had been "created with age" (which is not a Biblical concept), that doesn't explain away the fact that the fossil record shows that Homo Sapiens came into existence about 200,000 years ago and that humans began leaving evidence of a sedentary/agricultural culture 14,000 years ago. That's over twice the amount of time calculated by Biblical Historians between Adam and Eve and the present day.
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Apr 18 2011 12:29pm
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They weren't created with Age, they were created full-form (not the same thing). And that's only if you believe the two Creation stories are to be taken literally. Rather, the first (Genesis 1) is meant to speak to the nature of God. That is, it specifically says the things God is NOT (not the Sun, not the Moon, not any plant or animal, not any man). This was to differentiate itself from other pre-existing religions that focused on Sun worship etc. The second (Genesis 2) is to begin to explain that God has a code He wants people to follow, and that because we fall short of this code, we are physically separated from God (which is why we can't find "proof" of Him).

And even if things had been "created with age" (which is not a Biblical concept), that doesn't explain away the fact that the fossil record shows that Homo Sapiens came into existence about 200,000 years ago and that humans began leaving evidence of a sedentary/agricultural culture 14,000 years ago. That's over twice the amount of time calculated by Biblical Historians between Adam and Eve and the present day.


This is the christian fellowship, if you want to debate go to PARD. I believe what the bible says, its called faith and i dont think you profess to have it, so why are you in a fellowship forum?
In my finite human knowledge and understanding it is possible that i have misinterpreted parts of the bible. however, i believe that when i am judged for my actions on this earth i dont think i will ever heard the good lord say "you took the bible too literally"

And i just re-read the creation story and didnt see your words "full-form" anywhere. What i did see is animals that were fully grown, Adam that was created as a man etc. I call this created with age
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