That verse in Revelation is specifically addressing the prophecies inside that book. And besides, the Catholic Church decided what books and letters became the Bible in the first place. It's just ignorant to think that "The Bible" existed in its present form and that the Apostles wrote it specifically to be combined in any specific order.


There's no wrong way to eat a Reese's. Similarly, there's no wrong way to praise God.


The Bible describes Heaven very little, and what it does say is something that pretty much anyone at all could have written. Heaven is an eternal, beautiful place free from pain. Sounds amazing, right? Could very easily just be telling people what they want to hear. The only thing that seems odd is that there won't be any marriage, but hey, there are definitely weirder things in the Bible than that. However, that pretty much IS God sentencing people to death. It absolutely is, and there are no linguistic gymnastics you can do to dodge that fact.


It's impossible to get away from any and all denominations without abandoning religion altogether. A denomination is a group of people with similar beliefs. If you call your church "non-denominational" that doesn't mean it actually is. It just means it's its own denomination.

This post was edited by bentherdonethat on Apr 7 2011 01:34pm

Never said it did.



Never said there was. If people want to sit still and go ahhhhh in a monotone voice for 2 hours thats fine by me. But I don't want any part of it.



All I said was that it's pretty obvious it's going to be better than Earth, if it wasn't why would anyone want to go?



I'm non-denomination, I go to a non-denomination church. Its not that hard lol

I believe in the bible, Nothing else. Jesus is coming back for the christian body AS A WHOLE! so why are we separating ourselves? denominations are only separation of the christian people. they don't help anything.

In my opinion, he is not "forcing death on me".
He is simply allowing me to come and live with my father in Heaven. After all, this is one of my goals in life

Yes. Because God gave us free will. We choose to do good or evil. He gave us that option and there are rewards or repercussions to what we choose. Unfortunately the world we see today is probably not one he'd approve of, but being the merciful God He is, he will continue to let us live our life on earth, and judge us all when we die of natural causes, and many of us will THEN go to hell. God is omniscient, he must of known many people he created would stray away from him with their sinful ways, so destroying everyone like we "screwed up" and was angry at what we've become definitely wasn't part of his plan. He expected many of us to be sinful, and for that we will be punished, AFTER we die in an earthly way.

Personally I don't see much of a difference in our beliefs besides when we're gonna be judged. I think when we die of natural causes, you think Jesus coming back and slaying us all. We both wish to go to heaven and know the path to get there (based on any denomination of Christianity). I just believe that a merciful God will give us the option to live a life on earth no matter what. What we choose to do, be good or evil, is up to us, and we will be judged when we die. I think it is wrong to say that God does not give any value to an eartly life. Killing us all will not be helpful because we can go to heaven sooner. We can definitely live a partially fulfilling life on earth, maybe not entirely fulfilling (complete fullfillment when we die and go to heaven), but definitely a slither of goodness if lived correctly. BTW, my church doesn't go "ahhhhhhhh" for two hours haha. Guess that's another thing i missed out on.

Whether you see it as forcing or not, He IS forcing our death and judgment upon us. I strive to go to heaven too. I know it is a wonderful place to be. But why can't i wish to live a virtuous and partially fulfilling life on earth before i die and (hopefully) go to heaven? Surely this is a choice a merciful God would give to me.

Sorry for sounding strict, i just am kind of offended that the merciful God that gives us free will to act (in this case live) was not the God that my religion believes in. Instead of taking my replies as me trying to say you're wrong, just take them as me reciting my own beliefs, and point out my errors. Because I believe my arguments sound much more reasonable and closer to a loving, merciful God.

This post was edited by DD2 on Apr 7 2011 06:28pm

As a Christian, I believe that going to live with God in heaven is the most joyous and wonderful thing in anyones life.
Why would anyone turn this down if they were given the option?
I think its like asking a rhetorical question, Why would He ask one of His children if they wanted to come live with Him, if He already knew the answer.

IMO, there is nothing on this earth that come anywhere close to the glory and victory God has set up for me in Heaven. So I would have no desire to stay here.

This post was edited by billy237 on Apr 7 2011 07:38pm

The real question is, what is heaven? Is it another planet? Is it a mythical place in the sky? Will we be ghosts? Will we have a physical body? When Jesus came back to his diciples he walked through a wall and ate food. What will we be? If soul mates are real ( and your parents divorce, knowing they are not meant to be) will i be there? What happened to the people that died before Jesus? etc. etc. etc.

The bible says he is coming back to judge. All of this on Earth must be put to an end at some point.

God isn't like "AHHH DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!". He is simply taking your soul out of your body into a better place. I don't really see whats wrong with that lol.

But seriously, If the church you''ve been going to hasn't even mentioned the second coming or even touched the book of revelation FOR 8 YEARS!!!... You need to be going somewhere else.

If any part of the word is left out for that long you are getting the wrong message and being taught falsely.

This post was edited by weasleface on Apr 7 2011 10:42pm

I don't think all of this on Earth must be put to an end at some point simply for the reason that its mostly the case that nothing lasts forever. It's not a valid reason. You never know. I think we will last for as long as we can, and if the world ends, it'll be from our self destructive nature or some catastrophic natural disaster, NOT through the intervention of God.

Of course God won't be like "AHHH DIEE", i was exaggerating when saying Jesus is gonna slay us all for the sole reason of showing how ridiculous it sounds. But at the root of it, that's whats supposed to happen. You can fluff it up by saying take our souls to a better place, but He is ending our earthly life and killing us. And that, to me, is ridiculous. And you can't justify Him killing us by saying we're going to heaven so its all okay. I strive to go to heaven too and understand it's magnificence. It's the way in which we get there (Him killing us instead of a natural way) that I just cannot believe. It just doesn't fit what I thought the Christian God was. Sounds like an Old Testament crazy story told just to teach a lesson.

Now, if this ending of the Earth by Jesus essentially killing us all really is a widespread accepted belief and symbol of Christianity, I am completely torn and don't know what to call myself. I believe in the divinity of Christ and am aware of the moral and virtuous life of love you are supposed to live to reach heaven, but I thought I'd reach that place after my life on earth and death of a natural cause. I guess if Christ doesn't come back within my lifetime, then i technically lived the same life as any other Christian that did think He was going to come back. But that still doesn't help me figure out what to even call myself, if I cannot properly call myself a Catholic or even Christian for that matter.

God calls.

Listen.