I never heard of this Enoch book so I decided to do a little digging myself out of curiosity. First if all I do not have that book so obviously I have not read it. Torm1, can you verify chapter 40 in your book as saying the following,

chapter 40 of the Book of Enoch...

1 And after that I saw thousands of thousands and ten thousand times ten thousand, I saw a multitude
2 beyond number and reckoning, who stood before the Lord of Spirits. And on the four sides of the Lord of Spirits I saw four presences, different from those that sleep not, and I learnt their names: for the angel that went with me made known to me their names, and showed me all the hidden things.
3 And I heard the voices of those four presences as they uttered praises before the Lord of glory.
4 The first voice blesses the Lord of Spirits for ever and ever.
5 And the second voice I heard blessing
6 the Elect One and the elect ones who hang upon the Lord of Spirits. And the third voice I heard pray and intercede for those who dwell on the earth and supplicate in the name of the Lord of Spirits.
7 And I heard the fourth voice fending off the Satans and forbidding them to come before the Lord
8 of Spirits to accuse them who dwell on the earth. After that I asked the angel of peace who went with me, who showed me everything that is hidden: ‘Who are these four presences which I have
9 seen and whose words I have heard and written down?’ And he said to me: ‘This first is Michael, the merciful and long-suffering: and the second, who is set over all the diseases and all the wounds of the children of men, is Raphael: and the third, who is set over all the powers, is Gabriel: and the fourth, who is set over the repentance unto hope of those who inherit eternal life, is named Phanuel.’ 10 And these are the four angels of the Lord of Spirits and the four voices I heard in those days.

The Bible never mentions an angel named Phanuel, let alone an angel who is set over the repentance of those who inherit eternal life. That statement in itself contradicts everything the Word of God teaches.

1 Timothy 2:5 says that Jesus Christ is the ONLY Mediator between God and men, not some angel named Phanuel... "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus." Repentance is strictly between a man and Jesus Christ alone. Only Jesus died for our sins, and shed His blood to pay for them (1 Peter 1:18-19); therefore, we must be diligent to guard and defend against LIARS and imposters who would lead people to believe otherwise. 1 John 2:22 clearly indicts all Christ-deniers as LIARS, guilty before God.

I have found a lot more than this but I want to take it slow as it will be to much reading. For now let us just deal with chapter 40. Can you or does the book explain why this so called angel Phanuel has taken the place of Jesus? Seems to me that is what it is saying.

Remember what Revelation 22:18 says,
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

He is not claiming the angel is Jesus.

In fact, he talks about Jesus as being the "Son of Man" many times throughout the book.

I do appreciate your opinions though, its a non-canonical book for the western nations, so I can see why people approach it with caution.

This post was edited by Torm1 on Feb 28 2011 12:01am

But it is the same as saying the angel serves the same purpose Jesus does, does it not?

I'm not sure, there is some pretty weird stuff in the book of Enoch, I hadn't read that part. It was written around the time of Genesis.

Starting with Kisssofdeath's response.

Phanuel =/= Jesus there as I see it. The four are mentioned canon with less detail (like names at times). I've been led to see them quite similar to what most of us call "the alter ministry", calling forward, declaring/demonstrating His power, helping with physical needs in faith and imparting the love of God,to the, through His mercy and long-suffering.

The bolded in the end of "The Revelation of Christ" seems to reference that book alone. There is also something I'm getting I don't get yet or anyone does. If that makes sense. It's on my super long list of things to study some day, that only gets larger the more I study. O_o



Noah and Enoch are given authorship, yet our best references are in Koine/Greek. If that is true, it would have been oral tradition for a couple thousand years, before written down, lost, found, lost found, lost, found again and turned into koine, lost, koine found and added with a very few older references and then translated by "scholars" (no relationship with God required); through about 2000 more years into modern English. O_o

Some of the early church read it often, then some embraced it. Some of the early church were also way out there, wavering in their walk and that is why Paul wrote them epistles as well.

Jude defiantly quotes it, I recall there is a place were some say Jesus possibly references it; then it was tossed out, when canon was first finalized in the west and also tossed out when the Jews finalized their Scripture. I think they almost tossed Jude out for the association.

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This all seems circumspect to me so far. The book may even be the one written by Daniel and "shut up" for all I know.

For all the time I spent on it, I can only say for sure it either; should be considered Scripture, should be forgotten or something in between the two.

Good luck with it.

Shalom