PRAISE HIM

I was typing my response last night then the power cut off. That sucked!

Onto the OP, I think that once saved always saved but it's just whether we are living out our life for Christ. We all fall back into our sinful ways since we are sinful beings but we should remember the story of the prodigal son who returned to his father and the father welcomed him back with arms wide open and in mass celebration. Same thing for our Father who is delighted when we come back. Find a church that has people who can keep you accountable for your walk and seek the help of others who are walking in faith to help model what a consistent relationship with Christ looks like.

what does this mean?
We can not be right with god without his grace and mercy covering our sins.
I know that verse says we receive the holy spirit at salvation and it seals us and guarantees our inheritance.

So you are saying if a person is not right with God he is not saved? yes or no. Simple question.

what do you mean by "right with god?"
How does one become "right?" in god's eyes?
romans 3:10 There is no one righteous, not even one;

First we need to back up and refresh what this topic is about. Brandon started out with saying more of less he was unsure of his state of salvation. Cadizzle mentioned a Christian can backslide and loose their salvation which I totally agree with. One thing leads to another now we are at the point of you trying to prove the doctrine of men, "once saved always saved" while I show you can loose your salvation.

Getting to where we ar now, I see you are unsure of my question or do not understand it.

Acts 8:19-23
19 Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost.
20 But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.
21 Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God.
22 Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.
23 For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity.

In Acts 8:5-20, we read of Philip's work in the city of Samaria. Among those who heard and obeyed the gospel was a certain magician named Simon. We know Simon heard, believed, and obeyed the preaching of Philip by being baptized for the remission of his sins. At this point he was saved.

However, the text indicates that he fell into transgression as he attempted to buy the apostles' gift to pass on the Holy Spirit. Peter rebuked him severely for such and told him to pray for forgiveness that the iniquity of his heart be forgiven. Even a casual reading shows us that Simon had gone from being a saved person to being a lost one. However, through repentance, prayer and confession, he could be restored to a right relationship with God.

There are many more passages I can quote that clearly shows one can loose their salvation.

It's a pretty vague statement when you say you believe. If you truly believe, it will show by your lifestyle.

That being said, your issue doesn't necessarily mean you have lack of faith.

If you're afraid of going to hell or afraid evil may overcome you, then yes it's lack of faith. Maybe you're just scared of hell in general; just the thought of such evilness in our existence.

Nonetheless, fear no evil because God is with you!

romans 3:23
"for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of god"
no one is "righteous" without Christ's blood covering their sins.
You did not answer my question at all, you simply copied and pasted your post.

And please post those passages.

You never answer my questions, always quote something or redirect.

1 Peter 3:21 (King James Version)
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Read this verse and tell me what baptism does. It comes straight from God. Again, what does the verse say baptism does??

How old were you guys when you really got Saved for good? (Born again permanently by the spirit of God)

I was 23.

This post was edited by Torm1 on Mar 1 2011 10:22am