If there were no evil everything would be perfect. There would be no need for God.

God put evil on this earth to bring us close to Him. People still don't get it

Thank you, i can not believe I didn't now this yet. Did you read up about this in theology or in ancient history studies?

Yes, hundreds of brilliant popes, kalifs and theologians don't have a definite answer, thank GOD you're here to clear that up.

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God provided the gateway to know good and evil, then He basically said "Don't go there because it's death."

thank you for your valued input. Anything else?

It all comes down to the technicalities of free will, in my mind.
God gives us free will, and with it we do evil.
God knows we will do evil with this free will, yet he gives it to us in the eternal hope that some of us will refuse the evil that we can chose to do, even though he knows we won't.
It still leaves it a bit ambiguous, but I think the greater evil would be to refuse us free will--which, in essence, would make us soulless.
I don't feel that I did an adequate job of explaining the viewpoint, I'll try it some time when it's not 12:30 Feel free to point out any problems you have with it so I can address those more carefully.

well................. since u asked

first off, you said you haven't read the bible or any of that other religous stuff, so i thought i might start off with a lil history for a background
according to genesis, when god created man and everything else, everything was perfect, but since god wanted to prove to man that he loved him, he allowed him to have his own will to follow or neglect him
so in turn, it was man's choice to do w/e he wanted, if God didnt love man, he wouldnt have given him a choice at all and demanded that he obey him, so how could God love man unless he had his own will?
so then man decided to go against God's commandment in the garden and eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil... this is when sin entered in the world, because it was the very first sin ever, God said not to do it, and man said i will do what i want to
at first God's perfect intention was for man to live forever and ever with him, but when they sinned he had to make substitution to allow man to be redeemed, since God is not limited to time, he already knew that man would sin and before he even created man, he already planned that he would die on the cross, i know all this is hard to understand but that's because as men we cant understand everything, we have finite minds, but once you learn more about God's character, the easier it is to understand why he does what he does and how he allows things that are bad to happen.. so, is God the reason for evil? No, he's not but because of his love he allows man to do what he chooses

is there murder going on in the world? yes... ofc there is... but isn't it God's law not to murder? yes... so you ask why does he allow it to happen? why does he allow evil to occur? well.. it's because it's what man has decided... so in turn... it's him loving us... jus like he allows every man to sin... it's him saying ok, that is your decision, to murder someone even though i told you not to do it... yes you will be punished but i have given you a choice to do what you wanted to do... and that is how i'm showing you that i love you because i could honestly just send you to hell directly right now... but instead i will have mercy on you and allow you to live.. and another thing about God's character is that he loves every man so much... but at the same time he loves everybody equally...

just like for example, if you reallly liked a girl, and you "think" you're in love with her, you can't just force yourself on her and rape her into doing what you want her to do...
if you really loved her you would allow her to make that decision for herself... it's like that for God.. he loves you very very much but he's not gona force himself on you and force you not to murder
and ofcourse you would ask, o why does he send us to hell then? such a cruel place if we choose not to follow him, because sin is so good, why would i give that up?
first off, sin leads to nothin but death... when a man chooses to murder ppl, that's the most obvious way that it leads to death but other sins and all sins can lead to death...
so in turn, you sinning is you doing it to yourself, it's like God saying ok if you follow me, i can get you out of this dark cave alive... but you say, nah man, i'm gona go try to find my own way, so you're constantly walking around the dark caves without light
not only that, but God's character is also that he cannot be in the presence of sin, so he must turn his back on it... and that's what hell basically is... when a soul goes to hell, sure the flames are bad, sure the worms are bad, sure the darkness is bad, sure the moaning of others is bad, but the worst consequence of going to hell is knowing that God has turned his back on you, knowing that you no longer have any hope whatsoever for all of ETERNITY... imagine how emotional that could be, i know it's probably not fathomable but it's a sickening thought that causes me to write long posts such as this one, because i know that when i dont try to get across to people, they can be going to hell and i dont want them to have to go there, no matter how much of a troll they are

I haven't taken a class on it (yet), but I have the Nag Hammadi Library, which is a collection of Gnostic texts, I have read a bunch on the "gnosis.org" website, and I have read a bunch of books on gnosticism, such as books by Elaine Pagels and other authors I cannot remember the names of. I am by no means an expert, though.

Well when you dig further...



Keep an open mind this could be all a result of Luciferism, based upon the "prophet" Plato works.